SOS I need a ROCK SOLID distro!

What other apps and distros do you use to round out your studio?

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Re: SOS I need a ROCK SOLID distro!

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slowpick wrote:[



AVLinux, is based on an older, therefore more thoroughly tested linux, and is a great choice. Laptops waste money which could have gone for superior desktop technology and software. You could have
had a well warn record button, instead of portable producers despair. But if kids want to be cool, instead of productive. So be it. :roll:

AVlinux 5.xx is based on Debian 6. I don't call that old.


But....where is our desperate TS? Started a SOS topic, and 11 days later no sign of him anymore. :shock:
I cross my fingers he is still alive.........
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Havoc wrote: I tried a few audio distros but found them not to my taste. Often (too often?) they think AV is just trowing in every audio and video application out there.
Hi,

I'd just like to point out that putting together a D.A.W. studio for yourself and putting one together for other people are two very different things, I don't think any of the audio distro folks are putting apps in there just for the sake of making the menus look bigger. Specialized distros are made for a much wider user base with vastly differing needs and wants. Obviously advanced Linux audio users don't really need the specialized distributions and the 'extra' applications, they are geared toward new users and those who don't want to be bothered figuring out all of the complexities.
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AVLinux 5.0, the latest Arch (64-bit), and Ubuntu 10.04 are in daily use here. I've been fine-tuning the Arch box, I had to kick Ubuntu into shape (but it runs nicely now), and AVLinux just worked OOTB.

However, if you want ROCK SOLID I'd recommend an old 64 Studio 2.1 installation. Alas, it's virtually un-updatable, but it is steady as Gibraltar.

I've yet to try some of the other distros mentioned here. High on the list are KXStudio and Tango Studio. falkTX has been doing remarkable work on his standalone software, I'd like to see what he's achieved with a distro. :)

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Lemen wrote:
slowpick wrote:[



AVLinux, is based on an older, therefore more thoroughly tested linux, and is a great choice. Laptops waste money which could have gone for superior desktop technology and software. You could have
had a well warn record button, instead of portable producers despair. But if kids want to be cool, instead of productive. So be it. :roll:

AVlinux 5.xx is based on Debian 6. I don't call that old.


But....where is our desperate TS? Started a SOS topic, and 11 days later no sign of him anymore. :shock:
I cross my fingers he is still alive.........
I think a lot of potential linux users get drawn in by community enthusiam, only to be crushed by the amount of information one must process. A lot of linux users came to the bridge of learning, and chose to cross, regardless of the toll. Others go back, but will return and cross when able and willing to pay the toll :)

Hopefully the OP is recording tune after tune after tune 8)
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StudioDave wrote:AVLinux 5.0, the latest Arch (64-bit), and Ubuntu 10.04 are in daily use here...
I'm still using Ubuntu 10.04 with packages from KXStudio's repos as my main recording distro. With just a few tweaks runs great. However, I know it's becoming a little dated, and I'm considering moving to something more up to date. And newer versions of Ubuntu just don't cut it for me in terms of audio recording.
Although not running AVLinux right now, my experience with it has been very positive; in my opinion, one of the best for audio recording out there. Maybe I should download the newest version...
I've haven't tested Arch, but I've been hearing a lot of positive comments about it lately. I'm very curious; maybe I'll take the time to do an Arch install during this week.
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I feel your pain. I tried AV Linux 5.0.2 and liked it very much but in the short time that I've used the KXstudio tools (cadence, claudia etc) I've found them indispensable. I wished AV Linux would include them as I'm also looking for a new distro (64-Bit Oneiric is apparently no good if you want to use Ardour3 with windows vst support). It looks like Arch Linux with the KXstudio repos would also be a good solution regarding staying up-to-date with software while having a good workable environment. I just fear I don't have the necessary time to devote to get such a setup. Maybe you do ?
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StoneCut wrote:I feel your pain. I tried AV Linux 5.0.2 and liked it very much but in the short time that I've used the KXstudio tools (cadence, claudia etc) I've found them indispensable. I wished AV Linux would include them as I'm also looking for a new distro (64-Bit Oneiric is apparently no good if you want to use Ardour3 with windows vst support). It looks like Arch Linux with the KXstudio repos would also be a good solution regarding staying up-to-date with software while having a good workable environment. I just fear I don't have the necessary time to devote to get such a setup. Maybe you do ?
Yes, I've grown used to the huge list of resources found in KXStudio's repos. I specially like the variety of audio plugins found on the repos. And the best part is that they are already compiled and ready to use, so it's a time saver.

Sadly, falktx won't be continuing the KXStudio repo for Arch and older versions of Ubuntu. From KXStudio's announcements:
So, after much consideration, the following decisions were made:
- No more official support for versions before Oneiric, although important software will still be updated (Ardour and Qtractor for example)
- The ArchLinux repository will be removed. Users can still use AUR, and expect KXStudio related packages to be kept up-to-date
For the time being I'll keep working with Ubuntu 10.04 for my serious recording works. But I'm be testing other options. Right now, I'm thinking of AVLinux and Arch.
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Cool, I'm looking forward to 2012. Too bad you dropped Arch und concentrate on Ubuntu, though. With the Rolling Release mechanism in Arch Linux I would have only had to set up my system once and stay up to date forever.

@falktx: I installed the generic-pae kernel from the KXstudio repos for my new 32-Bit Oneiric (I believe so at least) but Cadence still says that it's not realtime-enabled. I also tried a test skript for Linux audio kernels and it said that the 1000 Hz timer is not enabled. Will there still be a tuned kernel for Oneiric i686 ?

Something else: Why doesn't "kxstudio-welcome" add the current user to the "audio" group ? Are there any other manual tweaks I should do for minimum latency ? I have pretty good latency right now but haven't put much load on the system. I also noticed that you basically froze the Wine build (is it RT-enabled?) - is there a particular reason for this ? I have a Wine patch which enables the weird menu structure in Propellerheads Reason which I'd love to see included ...
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Too bad about the removal of JACK support in later WINE releases - is it possible to patch it back in ? Staying up to date with WINE seems like a good idea if you need it ...

Anyway, here's the patch to enable access to the program menu in Propellerheads Reason:
http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-pa ... 71602.html

It wasn't accepted - here's the reason:
http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-pa ... 71602.html

I firmly believe this patch likely solves issues with other applications, too, though. It's a godsend for Reason that's for sure.
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Yes, I have 11.10 Oneiric (switched to 32-Bit two days ago). That's the right WINE patch, too, sorry for the confusion. I'd appreciate a test package, many thanks ;)

As for 64-Bits - I've given up on that for Linux Pro Audio for now. If you want/need Windows VST(i) support it appears that you need a 32-Bit system anyway (well, at least if you want to have Ardour3 with VST-Support and don't want to mess about with Multilib). I still have issues getting my ardour-3.0-vst build to run (bad EXE format) but at least I could finally build it ...
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Hi,

Regarding Ardour 3 and Windows VST support, the code for Windows VST in Ardour 3 is very different than Ardour 2 and now that LinuxVST support is in there if I understand correctly there is some shared code. I have not been able to build a running Ardour 3 with Windows VST support for several months now and Ardour's IRC is very quiet about it and it is a SUPER-LOW priority for them right now. If there is sufficient user interest in such a thing I would guess they will examine it more closely when Ardour 3 is much closer to it's final release.

Windows VST support is currently only attainable in all it's kludgy dysfunction in Ardour 2 and best served on 32bit. 64bit simply adds to the kludge pile...lol. I have been a ArdourVST user for many years but it will ALWAYS be a hack subject to constant breakage by Wine which doesn't give a flip about Linux pro-audio.

Anyone new to Linux audio or wanting a 'Rock Solid' distro really should (must?) avoid ArdourVST, it was born in a time before LV2 even existed and LinuxVST was a few WindowsVST reheats and that time has long passed with the stellar efforts of many Linux Audio developers. ArdourVST is a fun science experiment but usually manages to reflect very poorly on Ardour and Linux Audio in general.

I understand the 'comfort' of moving into Linux with a known plugin format but unfortunately Windows VST support is at best a curiosity and at it's worst full of hollow promises.

Regarding AV Linux and Cadence I have great admiration for falkTX and his many contributions to enhance the Linux Audio experience. AV Linux doesn't require all of Cadences functionality (ie ladish support) and already uses a2jmidid and patchage so including it would introduce some duplication of functionality, however Carla is very appealing. falktx and I have good and non-competitive communication back and forth so I hope to see what the best fit is when Cadence is stable.
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I hope you can have a giant paella, and time at the beach, to celebrate New Years,
and recharge the batteries :)
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GMaq wrote: I understand the 'comfort' of moving into Linux with a known plugin format but unfortunately Windows VST support is at best a curiosity and at it's worst full of hollow promises.
Last night I had Hydrogen, Drumcore, and Kitcore all being played by a hardware sequencer,
3 separate drumkits, so 3 unique drum-samples on each beat, processed both clean, and through Rakarrack, with Rez2 and Synth1 providing muzak, and the lot recorded live with Timemachine.

Drumcore, Kitcore, Rez, and Synth1 vsts were all hosted in Reaper, and Qjackctl routing
is pretty simple. I put hydrogen, Rakarrack and reaper on separate desktops to avoid clutter.

It is almost 2012. The future done got here early 8) There is an ocean of vsts out there that work fine in Reaper, which works fine in most linux/wine installations. The Reaper forum has some useful threads of success stories.

Lots of musicians, especially those with money, are agnostic regarding plugin formats and operating systems, just wanting to maximize use of the computer and audio interface they paid good money for, to play and record enjoyable, or commercially successful music.

I also wish you a giant paella (or your favorite feast) and beach trip. AVLinux is full of
fixes and enhancements that remove the headaches and gotchas most often encountered
by musicians new or experienced, to linux. A massive undertaking, and labor of love, to be sure 8) .
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@ slowpick:

If only there was some kind of Linux distro that came with REAPER by default, and a realtime kernel by default. That ran purely in RAM for the ultimate in speed and performance, and came with all of the necessary plugins and the best open-source software available, all preconfigured and ready-to-go, with minimal knowledge and set-up time required.

That would be so awesome! It would be perfect for professionals and newcomers alike!

But alas, such is only a pipe dream...

Or is it? :lol:
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I actually opened a new account, soon to become paypal enabled, and when it is,
I will get Studio4, as it's younger puppies were so well behaved, and never
chewed my newspaper, or slippers, shed only moderate amounts of hair,
and went outside to perform the appropriate chores on win7 and osX :lol:
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