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Re: keychanges in pop songs

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RyanH wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 7:25 am

I'm not at all saying his to derail the conversation or criticize anyone
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As I said, no criticism intended. My hat is off to those like yourselves who are more capable and knowledgeable than I. I just wanted to give another perspective....

Cheers. :)

I don't take it as a criticism or a derail. "au contraire" they say.
After going back and forth, it kinda looked already like that to me.
I assumed it might be there is a general concept, something like what in jazz is called tritone-subst or secondary dominant, you don't see it right away, but if explained it is easy, and i simply wouldn't see it or lack the correct terms.
If the answer is "kinda by feel" or as in the video linked to above "works well as open chords on the guitar" that is fine for me.
And, truth to be told, even if there is a secret concept, as far i can tell yet: I wouldn't understand it. Or at least not easily.
Say: looking at the notes of each chord, i saw a way they move in an interesting way (always one halfstep to be found in each chord change).

So, to sum it up, thanks a lot, thanks a lot to anyone who answered and gave insight. I'll keep digging.

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Something from the video is -- what does it sound like to you? To me A to E sounds like IV I, and the chords before are also IV I, with a temporary I.

If there's a secret it's that E blues is a different key from E major or E minor.

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Re: keychanges in pop songs

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merlyn wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 1:44 pm

If there's a secret it's that E blues is a different key from E major or E minor.

Hey, I like that! I was thinking, after I replied to nadir's post and scanned that video, that it's kinda cool for there to be a well-liked song that no one can say for sure what key it's in. A musical mystery!

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At least to me it sure doesn't look like a typical blues though.
So looking at it that way, the question would stay: why on earth would that be a blues.
And yes, it is not the first time i run in that question either.

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Re: keychanges in pop songs

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It's not a twelve bar, but not all blues are twelve bars. What about Smokestack Lightnin'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ri7TcukAJ8

Howlin' Wolf has a great blues voice. Or Spoonful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aIjyX7vwI

They're both one chord throughout. And of course Mannish Boy. That's one chord.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSfqNEvykv0

Honestly, I think that knocks heavy metal into next week. Just the sheer balls of it. :lol:

In his video Adam Neely mentions a blog on blues tonality. Worth a read :

https://www.ethanhein.com/wp/2014/blues-tonality/

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