Surge-XT V2

[peter.semiletov]

Hello!
So, new Surge-XT builds by default without LV2. Yes, I can build it manually using "cmake -DSURGE_BUILD_LV2=TRUE .." (mostly for my old and current songs). but what you can advice? Use VST and CLAP, or wait for the "official" returning of LV2 support?

[oddy.o.lynx]

LV2 support for Surge XT has ended with v1.3. The option to build as LV2 or VST2 will remain. Moving forward the plugin format the Surge Synth Team is leaning towards is CLAP.

[peter.semiletov]

But why? They have LV2 support for free with JUCE...

[Largos]

The surge devs are involved in CLAP development and they also have a dislike of LV2 IIRC.

[oddy.o.lynx]

But why? They have LV2 support for free with JUCE...

LV2 is problematic from a developer's perspective and has never been a viable alternative to VST3 which is terrible. LV2 is not a viable format for a Synth as complex as Surge is becoming.

CLAP was created to resolve these issues, issues that Steinberg and the LV2 standard and community are unwilling or incapable of addressing.

For more insights, this article from an excellent LV2 developer.

[mcord]

I have at least a dozen Ardour and Bespoke projects where the LV2 version of Surge XT was being used, often as multiple instances. I assume the only way to migrate their states to one of the other formats is through saving them as presets and loading them in the VST3 or CLAP versions, right?

I'm not looking forward to do this for all the instances, one by one, but I'm concerned about preserving them, so, I'll probably do it one day, and unltil then, I keep using v1.2.x.

[oddy.o.lynx]

It's possible to build Surge XT v1.3x using

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-DSURGE_BUILD_LV2=TRUE

For those who might find building locally too difficult or outside their scope I have built an LV2 on Debian 12 and have hosted the binary on my Github page.

[mcord]

It's possible to build Surge XT v1.3x using

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-DSURGE_BUILD_LV2=TRUE

For those who might find building locally too difficult or outside their scope I have built an LV2 on Debian 12 and have hosted the binary on my Github page.

Thank you, I'm going to put your build on a test drive.

I see that Surge XT looks for its factory data (bundled presets, wavetables etc.) in /usr/share/surge-xt. Is this hard-coded, or is there a way to set this path to something else in case I uninstall all the surge-xt packages through the package manager?

[oddy.o.lynx]

I see that Surge XT looks for its factory data (bundled presets, wavetables etc.) in /usr/share/surge-xt. Is this hard-coded, or is there a way to set this path to something else in case I uninstall all the surge-xt packages through the package manager?

You can place data folders anywhere you like. Go to Menu -> Data Folders to set them.

Surge XT also looks in:

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~/.local/share/surge-xt/

and if not mistaken:

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~/.surge-xt/

[glowrak guy]

Hi, my AVLinux setups have libc6 2.31, and newer linux Surges all fail with a frozen gui (the category and patch arrows do work,
so I can use the sounds as a player without labels , the terminal showing that libc6 V 2.35 is needed.
Not sure if this is curable, without upgrading to a newer distro, which I won't be doing until the new AVLinux arrives
for a thorough testing. Thanks for helping with a great project!
Cheers

[Kott]

Hi, my AVLinux setups have libc6 2.31, and newer linux Surges all fail with a frozen gui (the category and patch arrows do work,
so I can use the sounds as a player without labels , the terminal showing that libc6 V 2.35 is needed.
Not sure if this is curable, without upgrading to a newer distro, which I won't be doing until the new AVLinux arrives
for a thorough testing. Thanks for helping with a great project!
Cheers

I can build it for Debian 11 in OBS if you need.

[Impostor]

Hi, my AVLinux setups have libc6 2.31, and newer linux Surges all fail with a frozen gui (the category and patch arrows do work,
so I can use the sounds as a player without labels :wink: , the terminal showing that libc6 V 2.35 is needed.
Not sure if this is curable, without upgrading to a newer distro, which I won't be doing until the new AVLinux arrives
for a thorough testing. Thanks for helping with a great project!
Cheers

Last august I built Surge XT v1.3 from github as lv2 and vst2 on Linux Mint which also has libc6 2.31. GUI works fine here.

[Audiojunkie]

Here's the official word on Surge-XT LV2:

https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/su ... ing-an-lv2

Here's the unofficial word on Surge-XT LV2:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p8473388

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p8320628

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p8543838

TL;DR -- The developers found LV2 to be problematic and decided to no longer compile binaries for the format.

[oddy.o.lynx]

Binaries of Surge XT 1.3.0-1 available at OBS courtesy of KottV

https://software.opensuse.org//download ... e=surge-xt
https://software.opensuse.org//download ... rge-xt-lv2
https://software.opensuse.org//download ... ge-xt-vst3
https://software.opensuse.org//download ... ge-xt-clap

[glowrak guy]

Thanks to all you helpful folks for building this instrument in it's several formats! I now have it working in linux Reaper,
and enjoying it's excellent patch browser and variety of sounds. I wish that all linux lv2 and vst plugins would use this code
for preset handling in 2024.
Happy New Year!