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Re: Best FM synth?

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shorty wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:28 pm I think cardinal is the way to go, have a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmFnA0YsUc

fm synthesis with two bogaudio modules.
I don't see possibility to change waveform of OSC, so it falls to same as dexed.

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Re: Best FM synth?

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tavasti wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:30 pm
shorty wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:28 pm I think cardinal is the way to go, have a look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BmFnA0YsUc

fm synthesis with two bogaudio modules.
I don't see possibility to change waveform of OSC, so it falls to same as dexed.
of course you could change the fm osc for a wavetable oscillator (cardinal's WT OSC) and use the fm input...
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tavasti wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:22 pm
tavasti wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:05 am
folderol wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 7:17 am Not quite sure why you'd want more, however in Yoshi (dunno about Zyn) you can do the following:
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And yeah, functionality seems to be there also in Zyn, just needed some time to spot it.
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I think this is really great tip from you, zyn/yosh are anyway my faw synths, and now just learning better to use them.
Found out that in Zyn that feature is broken. When modulating with other osc, that osc is used unmodulated. Meaning you cannot really do chained modulations with it. Worth reporting bug.
I think maybe they didn't implement it. In Yoshimi you have both options - Voice (modulated) or Oscillator (unmodulated).
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folderol wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:36 pm
tavasti wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:22 pm Found out that in Zyn that feature is broken. When modulating with other osc, that osc is used unmodulated. Meaning you cannot really do chained modulations with it. Worth reporting bug.
I think maybe they didn't implement it. In Yoshimi you have both options - Voice (modulated) or Oscillator (unmodulated).
Ok, also in Zyn there is both options. UI is just confusing, so finding right thing needs engineering mind and some experiments 'what this does'

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shorty wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:33 pm
tavasti wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:30 pm I don't see possibility to change waveform of OSC, so it falls to same as dexed.
of course you could change the fm osc for a wavetable oscillator (cardinal's WT OSC) and use the fm input...
But no possibility to change main osc. Unlimited possibilities of modular are limited :-)

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Re: Best FM synth?

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artix_linux_user wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:46 pm this
https://youtu.be/s1UOk6nVzpE

and that

https://github.com/reales/OPL

It's like this and like that and like this and uh :shock:
Maybe I'm just getting old, but that went right over my head :shock:
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And when talking about FM synths, in most cases it is phase modulation, like in DX7. But in Zyn and Yoshimi, frequency modulation is real, which makes totally different sounds. There use PM for getting what is mostly said to be FM :-)

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artix_linux_user wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 5:24 pm you want to sound like the original dx7 I guess.
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dexed can load the dx7 patches...
No way, I don't want DX7 sounds, and that is reason why I said dexed is not enough. I want other waveforms than sine, and sure, way of programming DX7/Dexed is not the way I want to do my sound design :-)

(This was said also in first message :-) )

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Some fooling around with Zyn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_1O1oHEEHE

Indeed powerfull tool, with all the possibilities Zyn has with waveforms, envelopes and all, then combining two such with modulation.

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Re: Best FM synth?

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tavasti wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:57 am
occulkot wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:56 pm I think that F.'em have different waveforms but it is payed software.
Other option would be using cardinal and fall into unlimited world of modulars
F.'em costs a fortune, so that is not option for me.

Cardinal, interesting point. That would be valid reason to learn it. How complicated it is to make patch with 2 OSC which have own envelope, and second is FM modulated with first? And is feedback possible?

One option would be learn FM features in Tranzistow. Not easy thing, and don't know if there is any documentation / instructions available for it

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I can't understand the need of other waveforms different than sines in FM synthesis, being this technique one of the most harmonically rich way to generate new oscillators. In practice, even good implemented bandlimited and oversampled (and filtered) oscillators, you have to be careful with aliasing if you use complex (and not so complex) waveforms in FM.

Dexed and OXE, both are good old school FM synths. If you don't like old school FM sounds, try hybrid synths as Surge XT: you can make dubstep growls using a sine carrier and a sine modulator as a generator waveform.
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Re: Best FM synth?

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Well... Yes, I've made some very nice sounds with just a pair of sines, but other waveforms can produce some quite dramatic results - on the other hand they can, of course, just produce mush :lol:
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tavasti wrote: Tue Aug 23, 2022 7:48 pm I found out old windows FM synth DoubleSix ( https://vst4you.com/pages/vst%20instrum ... lesix.html )

But is there some great linux native FM synths? Dexed is not enough, I want something which has also other waveforms than sine.
FM8 is on sale at www.pluginboutique.com for $10

https://www.pluginboutique.com/

Perhaps it's 900+ pro designed presets can be a laboratory of sorts,
and settings superimposed on other free/affordable instruments

Or this bundle of Massive, Absynth 5, FM8 and Replika for $50

https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... ge-nosto-3

and it has FM8 capability screenshots if you scroll way down the link
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glowrak guy wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:45 pm FM8 is on sale at www.pluginboutique.com for $10
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Or this bundle of Massive, Absynth 5, FM8 and Replika for $50
Tested FM8, and at least in demo mode works with my linux. Features and usability looks to be just what I've been looking for.

For that bundle, cannot see use case for Massive nor for Replika. Absynth might be ok, but no thanks.

Edit: looks like Absynth has disappeared totally, that bundle was last resort to get it :-o
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