c o m m u n i c a t e

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Though my own blurbs are probably the worst examples I did take one
course in something like communications-401 in another life. Inevitable
globalisation and cultural gardens (or bogs depending on one's point of
view) have changed the rules. Whereas making something possible to
understand used to suffice it is nowadays necessary to make misreading
impossible. Apples and oranges! How do you explain 2ds in a language
that has no #2, or perfect anything in one with only 2 numbers? Beyond
such exotic-extremes some numbers may mean terrible bad luck in some
other lingo and are for all intent and purpose unmentionables. Today, while
keeping it seamless and sneaky-unnoticeable, it's actually suggested to
describe everything in at least two but preferably three different ways if
only to deal with AI translators. This may seem like overkill but if I were to
give last-breath instructions to an assistant about how to shoot tactical
nukes at approaching zombies I would not wanna make a mistake.

OK, 'nuff said, let's cover some basics. General practice uses up/fwd/right
to indicate on/increase/etc and dwn/back/left to indicate off/decrease/etc.
Some imported cars are poor examples of this when they use intermittent
wiper knobs that need to be twisted fwd to slow down. In music my hunch
is that UP would mean increasing pitch, and DOWN decreasing pitch.
Musical instruments (a guitar for me) are a hotbed of potential traps in
this sense, and not wanting to throw cement blocks at anyone I still
feel compelled to cite a utube #: JM4QWPcEcn4 which I just watched
minutes ago.

It's a nice-and-good video but notice how a greenhorn will be totally
derailed by some of the terminology. BTW no training material has
a more important audience-sector than the greenhorns, ask any pro
how often s/he watches your ab-initio videos In this video the
well-intenting prof is holding the guitar neck downward but calls
increasing-pitch frets "UP" (which happens to be correct), but then
he says about string jumping "DOWN" from low E whereas you
can only string UP from low-E.

I'm braced for the shockwave, let it rip

[Toejam76]

In this video the well-intenting prof is holding the guitar neck downward but calls
increasing-pitch frets "UP" (which happens to be correct), but then
he says about string jumping "DOWN" from low E whereas you
can only string UP from low-E.

Maybe he is from down under. Also left is the new right and just out of curiosity: how high are you right now?
I find it way more irritating that guitar have six strings, but most humans only have five fingers. Clearly someone didn't think that one through.

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In this video the well-intenting prof is holding the guitar neck downward but calls
increasing-pitch frets "UP" (which happens to be correct), but then
he says about string jumping "DOWN" from low E whereas you
can only string UP from low-E.

Maybe he is from down under. Also left is the new right and just out of curiosity: how high are you right now?

C'mon, it's only 1pm here

I find it way more irritating that guitar have six strings, but most humans only have five fingers. Clearly someone didn't think that one through.

Not to have nighmares about an 88-key right-to-left keyboard!
I got away from that one when I picked a guitar.

[Toejam76]

Not to have nightmares about an 88-key right-to-left keyboard!

I got a woodblock to play hands free.
But srs, if I got you right and you want to talk about an universal way how to communicate musical theory that's quite a tricky thing. First off the western trained mind has already unconscious preconceptions about how things work in music. Other cultures have an entirely different take on it. To keep it super simple and avoid any music babble, numbers could be an alternative. Maybe a simplified abstraction of MML https://electronicmusic.fandom.com/wiki ... o_Languagecould be the way to go. Like Esperanto for music.
I was never into the finer aspects of theory. I got two damaged fingers on the left hand and chugging out power chords and other primitive things in drop-d is were it starts and ends for me on the guitar.

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Not to have nightmares about an 88-key right-to-left keyboard!

I got a woodblock to play hands free.
But srs, if I got you right and you want to talk about an universal way how to communicate musical theory that's quite a tricky thing. First off the western trained mind has already unconscious preconceptions about how things work in music. Other cultures have an entirely different take on it. To keep it super simple and avoid any music babble, numbers could be an alternative. Maybe a simplified abstraction of MML https://electronicmusic.fandom.com/wiki ... o_Languagecould be the way to go. Like Esperanto for music.
I was never into the finer aspects of theory. I got two damaged fingers on the left hand and chugging out power chords and other primitive things in drop-d is were it starts and ends for me on the guitar.

I used to know an esperanto fanatic

But my post has for objective the motivation of Linux musicians to outdo the Non-Linux rest of the field

[Toejam76]

Whoopsie, I think I misunderstood what this is about. I watched that video and it's about the f-ing circle of fifths. I shut up now

[merlyn]

Going a bit more philosophical -- what is this?



There is a range of answers, just post what you think.

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Going a bit more philosophical -- what is this?



There is a range of answers, just post what you think.

Technically it's a drawing on a digital cave wall, figuratively it could
be a C note on the 1sr fret of a standard tuned guitar 4/4 time in
common key, but since you went philosophical, the answer is God.

[merlyn]

If you had said "It's a sound", you would be onto something.

[D-Tuned]

Whoopsie, I think I misunderstood what this is about. I watched that video and it's about the f-ing circle of fifths. I shut up now

THIS is about communications, the cited video was about the 5ths and comms mistakes to watch out for. I tried to be polite about it, maybe that's a comms mistake too

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If you had said "It's a sound", you would be onto something.

I try but I don't hear it, maybe one has to be an accomplished musician to be hearing things that aren't sounds

[merlyn]

Greenhorns paddle in the shallows. It seems you won't even dip a toe in until you have a map of the whole ocean.

The greenhorn problem can be dealt with from the supply side, or the demand side.

• Supply side -- Find material you do understand.
• Demand side -- aim to move yourself out of the greenhorn category.

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Greenhorns paddle in the shallows. It seems you won't even dip a toe in until you have a map of the whole ocean.

The greenhorn problem can be dealt with from the supply side, or the demand side.

• Supply side -- Find material you do understand.
• Demand side -- aim to move yourself out of the greenhorn category.

Who said anything about being a green horn being a problem, or about material I don't understand?

[Toejam76]

The circle of fiths is pretty much perfect for describing the concept that enables a human to churn out four chord progressions on a guitar or a similar instrument. It's also visually displayed in a way that makes it easy to memorize. Anything beyond that is not "in the box" anymore and isn't perceived as music or has no distinguishable value in other ways to a human who wants to get a fix from pattern recognition and the machine can only make educated guesses without being able to understand what this is about. There are other less sophisticated ways and much older methods like carving a bunch of notches in a piece of wood with different spaces.
Have you seen the movie "Arrival"? The alien language was described as being non-linear and cyclic. Basically all the the information is there at once. I don't think even aliens would disregard linearity and the cause and effect chain, but that's sci-fi. If those aliens were into music, it would be one big mess to humans.
TL,DR : AI can't into music

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The circle of fiths is pretty much perfect for describing the concept that enables a human to churn out four chord progressions on a guitar or a similar instrument. It's also visually displayed in a way that makes it easy to memorize. Anything beyond that is not "in the box" anymore and isn't perceived as music or has no distinguishable value in other ways to a human who wants to get a fix from pattern recognition and the machine can only make educated guesses without being able to understand what this is about. There are other less sophisticated ways and much older methods like carving a bunch of notches in a piece of wood with different spaces.
Have you seen the movie "Arrival"? The alien language was described as being non-linear and cyclic. Basically all the the information is there at once. I don't think even aliens would disregard linearity and the cause and effect chain, but that's sci-fi. If those aliens were into music, it would be one big mess to humans.
TL,DR : AI can't into music

"AI" is a total misnomer, the self-glorifying calculator that wants to be more than just a bean-counting switch! A machine can truly learn and amass staggering mountains of knowledge and even relational but still just DATA. Intelligence (including wisdom and intuition) is another animal altogether. It has been thought (and regrettably taught) that the brain's vocabulary* of mental images was stored in so many neural paths but it's the combination of possible connections that make up its capacity expressed only in orders of magnitude. To illustrate (for lack of a better example than the physical length of the human central neural network) think of a million km long code and the number of combinations it can store even if it be only binary (far from known). Less clear but just as intimidating is why about 80% of it's ability or more lies in the subconscious. But I don't want to lose focus, my concern was limited to 'communication' which in a shrinking world needs to become increasingly unmistakable even if it's about music

* "Bright Air, Brilliant Fire" ISBN 978-0465007646