I know two people who died from Sars-CoV-2, do you know anyone?

[jonetsu]

What do you think of the RT-PCR process being used to detect infections ?

[jonetsu]

Is anyone willing to get a new vaccination each and every six months, as they already suggested a need for it?

There is no need to be scared, that small needle does not hurt much! Even my kids are ok with it, I am sure you can take it.

And yeah, doubling vaccination rate from what I have for influenza, no problem.

You do not take into account the thousands of people having problems with those products.

Do you consider UNAPPROVED mRNA products to be ordinary vaccines ?

[sunrat]

@jonetsu you can edit a previous post rather than make 8 posts in succession.

[GMaq]

@jonetsu

In this day and age there is plenty of information from plenty of sources to whet any appetite out there and to back up any viewpoint whether it is correct or incorrect, information sources are as common as dirt and many about as worthless. Experts (including Doctors and probably especially Doctors who go into politics) contradict themselves all the time for financial and political gain and are not immune to the same things that tempt anyone else. How many Doctors, lawyers, diplomats and politicians have twisted themselves into moral pretzels especially over the past 5 years..? I know I have lost count..

Since the current state of information is so perilous I looked to history and what I said was informed by both personal experience (having been vaccinated for many things including Covid-19)) and also the far from perfect but largely successful accessible historical record of vaccination in the past few hundred years of human history. My comment about vaccines was in the general sense of a substance injected into the body to provoke an immune response and trigger the production of antibodies to target pathogenic intruders. I'll leave it to @milo and other more knowledgeable people to explain the detailed mechanisms of mRNA vs. live vaccines.

Your views on the pandemic in general were well established in multiple long threads here last year and I'm not surprised in the least that you would want to join this discussion.. I would make an informed guess may you be more interested in speaking than listening and since your views have been quite clear prior to this I certainly have no desire to spar with you nor am I well read enough on the entirety of this subject to present much of a counterpoint. I'm here to clarify what I meant in the quote you posted from me and with that for my mental health I will refrain from posting in this thread any further.

[milo]

What do you think of senator Scott Jensen, an ex-doctor, who went public about being told to put 'covid' on death certificates ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMvtz5jDM8

And what do you think of the numbers in the VAERS (and EudraVigilance for Europeans) ?

I'm beyond being surprised that someone, somewhere, would do something corrupt.

In general I suspect that the sources of error in the COVID-19 stats are fairly balanced between inflationary and deflationary biases. I don't think we have a reason to suspect an intentional directional bias in the large scale data from liberal democracies.

What do you think of the RT-PCR process being used to detect infections ?

It is a useful technology. Like all technologies, there are limitations and tradeoffs.

[tavasti]

And yeah, doubling vaccination rate from what I have for influenza, no problem.

You do not take into account the thousands of people having problems with those products.

I take account that I know personally ~15 people who had corona. 2 of them were months in such a bad shape that I don't want to be, or actually, they are still in such shape that I don't want to be. I know personally hundreds of people who have taken vaccination and no problems. There is some cases of serious problems, but compare it to number of shots given.

Funniest thing with these 'pro plague' (also known as antivaxxers) that huge number of them smoke. Smoking is much bigger risk than vaccinations.

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID

[jonetsu]

@jonetsu you can edit a previous post rather than make 8 posts in succession.

Or it can be a reply per person/topic to keep subsequent replies on subtopics and not a big diverse lump. I'd compare that to an object-oriented approach.

[TAERSH]

Yes, stopping the discussion about the pros and cons of Sars-CoV-2 vaccines etc. would be great. As we all should keep in our mind:

Every knowledge we own nowadays is nothing more than corrected fallacies.

And it still might even get corrected in the future.

I didn't start this topic to discuss and argue about Sars-CoV-2 and all its current issues in politics, society, economy etc.pp. I'm just curious about who knows someone dying from Sars-CoV-2 and/or Covid19 (again sorry for mixing up with Corona). In my personal environment there's very less people who knows someone dying or being seriously infected. So, I'm trying to find out how many people really do know someone - did this already in the Puppy Linux forum, but there's also very less people who knows someone...

[jonetsu]

Since the current state of information is so perilous I looked to history and what I said was informed by both personal experience (having been vaccinated for many things including Covid-19)) and also the far from perfect but largely successful accessible historical record of vaccination in the past few hundred years of human history.

"Far from perfect" would include other factors such as a betterment of sanitation in general.

There's a significant difference between what the Chinese started to do around year 1 000 and inoculations direct into the muscle/blood stream.

If we factor in personal experience then it's 8 years now that I'm not having a cold or a flu. Our kids, now past university and working, were never vaccinated. They were also raised as vegetarians and that did not prevent one of them from breaking boards above his head in tae kwon do. I mean, for anyone who'd think that eating meat is essential for living.

My comment about vaccines was in the general sense of a substance injected into the body to provoke an immune response and trigger the production of antibodies to target pathogenic intruders. I'll leave it to @milo and other more knowledgeable people to explain the detailed mechanisms of mRNA vs. live vaccines.

If it comes from a needle, then it must be a good ol' (unapproved) vaccine.

I would make an informed guess may you be more interested in speaking than listening

Then I would not have made the extra trip to visit you last year if that was the case. According to my information.

I have the informed impression however that discussion is apt to (be) stopped when one is expressing views contrary to the medias and politics.

[jonetsu]

In my personal environment there's very less people who knows someone dying or being seriously infected.

Here it's been months and months that the number of cases is used to scare people into elongating the state of emergency and curfew, since there are not enough deaths and, summer is very near.

[lilith]

I know one who died in March 2020.

[jonetsu]

The 'surprising' thing is that, as soon as some questions are politely asked that might shake the current beliefs, then there's an unease that's felt. Do you find it strange ?

[jonetsu]

Funniest thing with these 'pro plague' (also known as antivaxxers) that huge number of them smoke. Smoking is much bigger risk than vaccinations.

Consistency is one's life is a must. Walk the talk.

[jonetsu]

What do you think of senator Scott Jensen, an ex-doctor, who went public about being told to put 'covid' on death certificates ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMvtz5jDM8

And what do you think of the numbers in the VAERS (and EudraVigilance for Europeans) ?

I'm beyond being surprised that someone, somewhere, would do something corrupt.

And that would influence directly the number of reported deaths due to covid.

Why would that be taken lightly when there's a state of emergency ?

In general I suspect that the sources of error in the COVID-19 stats are fairly balanced between inflationary and deflationary biases. I don't think we have a reason to suspect an intentional directional bias in the large scale data from liberal democracies.

I'm not sure I'm getting this. Do you mean that the numbers in VAERS (and optionally EudraVigilance) concerning deaths and side effects are not grounded at all in reality but are the result of political plays ?

What do you think of the RT-PCR process being used to detect infections ?

It is a useful technology. Like all technologies, there are limitations and tradeoffs.

What would be, in the context that is currently the focus, the limitations and tradeoffs of the RT-PCR process ?

[Gps]

What do you think of the RT-PCR process being used to detect infections ?

Thank you for making me feel less alone in this world.

It was never mend to detect infections. Why so little people seems to know this is beyond me.
Is it because the main stream media does not tell them ?

In the Netherlands were I live, the government refuses to make a difference between positive PCR test and infections.
One member of parliament has asked them to do so. The reply he got from our prime asshole, I mean prime minster, was that people at home would not understand the difference. Yet I understand the difference.

Then the corman drosten papers.

https://cormandrostenreview.com/

The retraction request got denied, but I have hope, because now an american doctor is saying exactly the same, as all the people who had signed that retraction request.
The truth might come out still.

The reproduction cycles, of which the number should not be too high, even according to the manual of the PCR test.
From the top of me head 25 - 30 cycles max.

To end this, there is nothing wrong with the PCR test, but there is a problem with the conclusions drawn from it.

I have to thank a nurse for knowing this. She put me on the right track. I asked here, I read on facebook that the pcr test does not look for covid 19.
Her reply was, that is right, it looks for RNA. This was march / may last year, and I had to do more searching on the net, because back then did not have a clue on what RNA is. Short answer is a simple form of DNA a kind of messenger.

But the doctor who also replied in this topic, can probably explain this much better then me.