COVID-19

[jonetsu]

Making a pandemic model is hard because there are many unknown variables.

I mean, you have to read the whole thing (which BTW takes more than 5 minutes) to find out about that ?

Really ?

That's a given right from the start, that models cannot be an exact thing. No need to go back to Greek philosophy and its influence to see that models, in the general sense, and it's enforcement upon existing conditions is more often than not, not the best way to proceed. Especially with flowing and movable aspects of reality such as biological processes.

So you can, hopefully, understand that I was not that much motivated to go all through the nitty gritty details of why. It has nothing to do with not being up to reading the whole thing as if this was an army training boot camp of some sort. Hopefully you can see the difference.

It's like reading 20 pages about why oranges have a vitamin C that's good for you, don't you find ? Sure, for someone who studies chemistry it can be interesting to know about the vitamin C molecules and their interactions in great details. And frankly, if I had the time for this it'd be interested. I already went through to some extent to fungi interaction when I was making natto, miso, amazake and 酒酿 at home.

It simply outlines why pandemic modeling is hard. Talk about living in a bubble!

Absolutely. A techno bubble. That description is totally unaware of it's uses. It is oblivious to it. While a model cannot be trusted, laws will be passed influenced by such a model, amplified in proper ways by the medias to unsuspecting populations who I can assure you, will not have the time to read the description you posted.

Maybe you two should get some fresh air, I suspect you're breathing too much of your own carbon dioxide.

Should we refer to this as a starting point down the thread ? Hopefully not.

A discussion, an exchange of ideas and thoughts could now be down to the physical act of having spent (much more than 5 minutes) reading something that's obvious right from the start ?

However if your reaction was triggered by you having spent some time perusing the various links given here ... what's your take on those topics, preferably addressed with some specific elements ?

[jonetsu]

Journalist and political scientist Fareed Zakaria on CNN has shown that the estimates (the model(s)) were way off by advancing way too large numbers.

Yet decisions were taken on those numbers. Like crashing the economy of a country. For what seems to be more and more a seasonal flu regarding the number of deaths. It is normal that estimates are revised. That would not be the point though. The point is about decisions that are taken meanwhile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LG-so-8qwg

Remember the total flop that the WHO zika pandmic-to-be was. Didn't work. This time it worked better at a major scale. At this point it's be interesting to see what the relief from the imposed conditions will be. Already the French Senate has passed on the 5th of December 2019 a law proposition featuring an article on being able to extract people from their family houses, by force if needed, when a family member is infected, to put that member in confinement. The same can be applied to people who are going against mandatory medical prescriptions. The WHO has recently brought forward the notion that an important aspect of the problem is indeed the family and that infected persons should leave their homes to spend some time in confinement.

Maybe this will be applied, maybe not. At least one country has the provision of doing so in their legal papers.

Combine this with the inaccuracy of the popular PCR tests (created in the 80s) regarding covid-19 specifically, and perhaps the large amplification of samples that's entailed with these tests.

[jonetsu]

As a peek into the real world outside of the numbers and their own 'logic'.

And while the numbers are dancing, why put an emphasis on the African origin of the most famous proponent of the use of hydroxychloroquine/AZT, at the head of a large research center on infectious diseases in France. This has relents of racism.

The main idea put forth is that 'reality' is not necessarily what it is as shown with the medias, politicians, and organizations such as the WHO and their sponsors as a first and unique quick read before calling in the emotions to the rescue. That there's a lot more to the picture. But still, the main question remains: crashing the economy of countries ? Another one: how about other causes of death during this time ? How about the thousands of people that die annually due to the regular flu ? Or regular pneumonia ? Do they engross the number of deaths that falls under the new covid-19 statistics ?

"« Chloroquine Dundee » : Didier Raoult « l'Africain » fait sourire"

"« Chloroquine Dundee » : Didier Raoult « the African » brings a smile.

And obviously amongst hundreds of available pictures, medias are carefully choosing the one to illustrate their intention. Which is very often the case for news articles. Since many, even the most educated ones, often just read a headline and look at a picture. This is the one they've chosen, which 'talks' by itself to the very busy reader who does not have the time to read a full article and, in the case time is available, sets the reader's mindset by showing a person with such a reactive expression:

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So let me counter-balance, for the media exercise/comparison:

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The original article (in French) :

https://www.gala.fr/l_actu/news_de_star ... ire_446506

[jonetsu]

I wonder why Germany (Sachsen) wants to put in psychiatric wards people that opposes quarantine.

Die Welt: Wer in Sachsen in Quarantäne muss und sich nicht daran hält, muss nun mit harten Strafen rechnen. Das Bundesland hat knapp zwei Dutzend Zimmer in psychiatrischen Kliniken freigeräumt, in denen Unbelehrbare von der Polizei bewacht werden sollen.

I mean, if they do not want to go into quarantine all they can find is to put them in a psychiatric ward ? They can't free up a couple of Ibis ?

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland ... vVgU%20%20

[jonetsu]

Speaking of medias, just found out by coincidence another youtube channel which is a front for the Falun Gong/Falun Dafa sect mentioned earlier in this thread:

Crossroads with JOSHUA PHILIPP

I wonder how many people could sit through these 'crossroads' 'news clips' w/o suspecting at all that behind them is a multi-million dollars sect that attracts thousands of people yearly in New York for a day of demonstration in the city's streets.

[jonetsu]

Guess what.

A printed version of the Falun Gong's sect paper "The Epoch Times" is being delivered door-to-door by the government's postal service here.

See previous posts about Falun Gong/Falun Dafa.

Isn't this nice ?

Distributing a paper door-to-door not only belonging to a sect, but that boasts: "How the Chinese Communist Party Endangered the World" (reproducing the colours used in the main title here).

The government's postal service did not find any problem in doing this.

[Noahsark]

Yes, they are building a case against China to blame the corona virus on them.

This goes back to the Project For the New American Century's white paper,
called Rebuilding America's Defences where they name a list
of targets - Iran, North Korea and China are the ones on that list
that they didn't start a war with yet.

Here is a report from Ryan Cristian covering the "China did it" narrative:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vp9FmGniwuM/

[jonetsu]

On the second page of the Epoch Times printed paper is a small section titled "About Us". I transcribe the following with the paper beside me:

"The Epoch Times is a media organization dedicated to seeking the truth through insightful and independent journalism"

[ ... ]

"As an independent media outlet, we use our freedom to investigate issues ..."

[ ... ]

"We still believe journalism is a noble vocation ..."

In the 9 short paragraphs no mention is made of the sect behind the journal, Falun Gong.

I wonder (!) what is their definition of a noble profession.

Wikipedia: "The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper and media extension of the Falun Gong new religious movement. The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

Fortunately it has reached some mainstream media.

The Los Angeles Magazine, March 9 2020:

"Inside the Shadowy World of Shen Yun and Its Secret Pro-Trump Ties"

https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/shen-yun-trump/


The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), April 29 2020:

"Some Canadians who received unsolicited copy of Epoch Times upset by claim that China was behind virus"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/epoch-ti ... -1.5548217


My opposition to Falun Gong/Falun Dafa is not about the opinion of its leader Li Hongzi about extra-terrestrials working to steal the souls of human beings on Earth by depriving them gradually of what makes a human human and inserting more and more technology (if not literally by subcutaneous microchips and brain interfaces) in their lives but rather about their practice of qi gong.

By the means of thousands years old qi gong practices they are attracting Westerners to their sect by promising relaxation and better well-being. Westerners as well as Chinese. See them hanging on Saturdays at the doors of your Chinese super-markets, only talking Chinese. Crooks making money off qi gong in China are numerous.

The solid fact is, there is no need to be part of a cult or a sect to benefit from any qi gong practice. On the contrary, being part of a political multi-million dollars movement while doing something as deeply personal as qi gong can be quite detrimental to a person's inner health.

That is my point of objection. Otherwise I find Li Hongzi's comments on an alien race wanting to steal human souls interesting.

The 1999 Time Magazine interview where he mentions this:

http://content.time.com/time/world/arti ... 61,00.html

[jonetsu]

Here is a report from Ryan Cristian covering the "China did it" narrative:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vp9FmGniwuM/

These are good observations. There's also a video topic on the matter from yesterday although only in French from a well-known thinker, at 234 000 views so far. One fact mentioned is that the Wuhan lab what built by INSERM/Institut Pasteur with financial links to Rothschild banks. The director of this "Chinese" lab is Yves Lévy whose wife Agnès Buzyn was until very recently the French minister of health (hence 11 vaccines were made mandatory during her stay). This highly dangerous lab was built in China because neither the USA and France did want it in their countries.

Another interesting item of this video is that prof. Luc Montagnier (Nobel prize, co-discoverer of HIV/AIDS) went in the medias recently saying that he looked at the covid-19 virus and has discovered some HIV 'chains' in there which were put manually into this strain of a coronavirus.

Not mentioned in the video, I think that if some HIV-related molecules or chains or whatever is introduced into what makes the covid-19 what it is, it might be in order to counteract the human organism's natural defense system. More specifically perhaps, attacking the capacity of the organism to 'remember' virus molecule for later uses, as it does normally (after all, that's how vaccines are basically working: the organism will store in its 'memory' the virus for when it's actually needed later). This would make a virus that also has the capacity of defeating the 'memory' aspect of organisms. Just my thought.

Cheers.

[jonetsu]

What's even more misleading is that on the subscription page of the printed edition the following text is written:

"The Epoch Times is a bastion of hope in this age of misinformation. Honest news like it used to be - no spin, no hidden agenda. Give it a try, and experience what a newspaper based on Truth and Tradition feels like."

No hidden agenda ...

A paper 100% anti-China (anti-communist party) whose underlying sect Falun Gong is banned in China for having tried to overcome the government. Falun Gong is worth about a mere $70 million (while leader Li Hongzi personal fortune is another matter) and have no qualms at all to write the above drivel. Imagine what pharmaceuticals, used to pay tens if not hundred of millions in court settlements about frauds (3 billion in the case of GSK) can do to sell their products.

[Noahsark]

@Jonetsu

I understand where you are coming from in regards to the epoch times paper, but you have to clarify at the same time that
just because you are pointing out the propaganda that is against china doesn't mean that you are in support of china.

Too many people have no idea that ultimately at the top, china and the west are controlled by the same forces.

That wuhan lab had connections to western funding as well as connections to american universities, specifically Un of North Carolina.
There were wuhan scientist and american scientist working on the gain of function abilities that are reported in connection to the corona virus.

The important thing to be aware of with this china narrative is that they are prepping the public mind for war with china.

"The social experiment in China under. Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history. "
- David Rockefeller

https://www.nytimes.com/1973/08/10/arch ... veler.html

Communism was funded out of wall street and the rockefeller family had a part to play in that.

Wall Street and Bolshevik Revolution - by Antony Sutton
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sut ... tion-5.pdf

[Gps]

I believe that all of corona is one big crowdcontrol exercise.

No more yellow jackets in France, I can't protest any more ( netherlands).

I find it very hard to believe its just coincidence.

There are no covid 19 test, only general corona test.

[Noahsark]

I believe that all of corona is one big crowdcontrol exercise.

Yeah it is - and to add to it, it is a mind control program playing out right before our eyes.

Here is an excerpt from a rockefeller foundation white paper from 10 years ago
that talks exactly about how the governments across the globe are acting
right now in response to this.

https://www.cabaltimes.com/2020/03/28/covid19-lockstep/

This is a plan for sure and you are right; it is no coincidence what so ever.

Here is an excellent article about the PCR "test" that they are using where the author of the article interviewed
the inventor of the test years ago and quotes him in the article as well as another
scientist explaining - that this pcr "test" is not really a test at all but a tool for biological research
and that depending on how the "test" is conducted you can get either positive or negative results.

In the end the "test" can be made to give what ever result the tester wants to get.

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-th ... t-a-virus/

[jonetsu]

I understand where you are coming from in regards to the epoch times paper, but you have to clarify at the same time that just because you are pointing out the propaganda that is against china doesn't mean that you are in support of china.

It's one thing that's often found, this binary thinking. Not saying at all this about you, but in general. When words and thoughts are bypassed it goes straight to actions. You are with us or against us. Sometimes it can be understood although I find that in many cases it's not. It's as if the mind of those people using this binary thinking would be in a very bad, fearful place if it would suddenly wander between poles of attraction. As if safety is provided solely by sticking to one of the poles.

Too many people have no idea that ultimately at the top, china and the west are controlled by the same forces.

Not sure if I mentioned it ... If we take George Orwell's 'metaphor' so to speak, all three large countries are the same in their total control of their populations. And they all fought for resources in Africa and the Middle East.

That wuhan lab had connections to western funding as well as connections to american universities, specifically Un of North Carolina. There were wuhan scientist and american scientist working on the gain of function abilities that are reported in connection to the corona virus.

That I think I mentioned. Yves Lévy is (one of) the director(s). Whose wife is Agnès Buzyn who until very recently was minister of health in France. Thus France has now 11 mandatory vaccines and took off homeopathy solutions from insurance coverage.

The important thing to be aware of with this china narrative is that they are prepping the public mind for war with china.

It could be. We can ask what's next on the worldwide scene after this covid thing. Maybe a war then a saviour coming ?

My interest with China, including learning chinese, learning about the history of Taoism, talking extensively with Chinese colleagues, learning about food, making my own 酒釀, jiuniang, a fermented rice porridge, which follows the steps I already took when making my own Japanese miso, natto, amasake and such, is about culture and Tao basically. Not about the government.

This endeavor even lead me to get 'baptized' by a Chinese cult that's banned from China, which I eventually left when I found out how crooked their thoughts actually were. So now I know that there are houses out there which look totally normal but are all rigged inside for cult followings. I also can spot a Chinese food store that has some links to this cult who also happened to run a food business. I was going weekly to their food plant/manufacture. That food is not sold by regular Chinese stores.

There's a photographer, John Torrente, who described quite well, in 10 minutes, how much most people do not know about China and perhaps why for Americans specifically (although I think it can extend to many Western countries as we tend to live the same lifestyle). It's off CGTN (so off the bat you know he's not saying anything bad about China) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI0YyOy9N3Q

There are other details. For instance running a country with a several thousand years history of internal wars and battles in conjunction with a huge population is different from running the USA. Let's say that some Western powers would like to make China explode from the inside. We have seen this approach brought to the small country of Syria in the last years. And all the Western media propaganda that supported it. Syria is another subject I can write about as I'm, say, familiar with the subject.

[jonetsu]

Here is an excellent article about the PCR "test" that they are using where the author of the article interviewed the inventor of the test years ago and quotes him in the article as well as another scientist explaining - that this pcr "test" is not really a test at all but a tool for biological research and that depending on how the "test" is conducted you can get either positive or negative results.

In the end the "test" can be made to give what ever result the tester wants to get.

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-th ... t-a-virus/

Thanks for the link. Which in turn lead me to this New York Times article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/15/scie ... -dead.html

Not directly related, Truthstream has made a 'music' video recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK8_xK9gwsQ