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Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:11 am
by tavasti
Trying to find out why Vember Surge is working ok in my laptop, but not in my workstation.
On workstation, only some of the presets produce sound, maybe 1/15.
Both computers are running same version of Surge. Same version of Mixbus5.
Listing packages which provide libraries which Surge depends on, on both computers, list is identical, same versions.
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tavasti@hermo:~$ dpkg -l $(for i in $(ldd /usr/lib/vst/Surge.so | sed 's/.*=>//;s/ (.*//') ; do dpkg -S $i | sed 's/: .*//' ; done )
dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *linux-vdso.so.1*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name Version Architecture Description
+++-============================-===================-===================-=============================================================
ii libbsd0:amd64 0.8.7-1 amd64 utility functions from BSD systems - shared library
ii libc6:amd64 2.27-3ubuntu1 amd64 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii libcairo2:amd64 1.15.10-2ubuntu0.1 amd64 Cairo 2D vector graphics library
ii libexpat1:amd64 2.2.5-3 amd64 XML parsing C library - runtime library
ii libfontconfig1:amd64 2.12.6-0ubuntu2 amd64 generic font configuration library - runtime
ii libfreetype6:amd64 2.8.1-2ubuntu2 amd64 FreeType 2 font engine, shared library files
ii libgcc1:amd64 1:8.2.0-1ubuntu2~18 amd64 GCC support library
ii libpixman-1-0:amd64 0.34.0-2 amd64 pixel-manipulation library for X and cairo
ii libpng16-16:amd64 1.6.34-1ubuntu0.18. amd64 PNG library - runtime (version 1.6)
ii libstdc++6:amd64 8.2.0-1ubuntu2~18.0 amd64 GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii libx11-6:amd64 2:1.6.4-3ubuntu0.1 amd64 X11 client-side library
ii libxau6:amd64 1:1.0.8-1 amd64 X11 authorisation library
ii libxcb-cursor0:amd64 0.1.1-4ubuntu1 amd64 utility libraries for X C Binding -- cursor
ii libxcb-image0:amd64 0.4.0-1build1 amd64 utility libraries for X C Binding -- image
ii libxcb-render-util0:amd64 0.3.9-1 amd64 utility libraries for X C Binding -- render-util
ii libxcb-render0:amd64 1.13-1 amd64 X C Binding, render extension
ii libxcb-shm0:amd64 1.13-1 amd64 X C Binding, shm extension
ii libxcb-util1:amd64 0.4.0-0ubuntu3 amd64 utility libraries for X C Binding -- atom, aux and event
ii libxcb-xkb1:amd64 1.13-1 amd64 X C Binding, XKEYBOARD extension
ii libxcb1:amd64 1.13-1 amd64 X C Binding
ii libxdmcp6:amd64 1:1.1.2-3 amd64 X11 Display Manager Control Protocol library
ii libxext6:amd64 2:1.3.3-1 amd64 X11 miscellaneous extension library
ii libxkbcommon-x11-0:amd64 0.8.0-1ubuntu0.1 amd64 library to create keymaps with the XKB X11 protocol
ii libxkbcommon0:amd64 0.8.0-1ubuntu0.1 amd64 library interface to the XKB compiler - shared library
ii libxrender1:amd64 1:0.9.10-1 amd64 X Rendering Extension client library
ii zlib1g:amd64 1:1.2.11.dfsg-0ubun amd64 compression library - runtime
Running out of ideas, what could be such difference that on one Surge work ok, on other only small part of presets produce sound?
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:21 am
by tavasti
And on workstation, Surge loaded with carla, 100% identical problem. Tested few versions of surge package.
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:30 pm
by tavasti
Tried also:
- building surge myself
- creating new user account, and running with it
- re-installing all packages which contain libraried which surge uses
And still, nothing has changed, they are same presets that work, rest not.
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:33 pm
by stanlea
Are there differences between your jack settings on the 2 machines ? (frequency, samples)
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:48 pm
by tavasti
stanlea wrote:Are there differences between your jack settings on the 2 machines ? (frequency, samples)
Thanks for idea!
Tried, does not change anything.
When surge has 'defect' patch loaded, even surges own Output level meter is dead, not showing any move.
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:38 am
by stanlea
tavasti wrote:stanlea wrote:Are there differences between your jack settings on the 2 machines ? (frequency, samples)
Thanks for idea!
Tried, does not change anything.
When surge has 'defect' patch loaded, even surges own Output level meter is dead, not showing any move.
I have the same issue on my laptop.
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:57 am
by tavasti
stanlea wrote:tavasti wrote:
When surge has 'defect' patch loaded, even surges own Output level meter is dead, not showing any move.
I have the same issue on my laptop.
Do you have same patches working?
For me, only small part of presets play anything. Started to browse presets, and checking first ~20 from bass, and these were working:
Bass 10, Deep end, Distorted MW, FM Bass 1
From pads, Ghost pad is first to produce anything usable, some patches before it produced only some single cracks.
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:09 am
by rghvdberg
What is the actual sampling rate you run with your audio card ?
IIRC Surge could misbehave on samplerates other than 44.1Khz.
Also, did you put in an a bug report (issue) on github ?
If you don't feel like doing that (all cool with that) I'd suggest hopping on irc, freenode #surgesynth, and mention your problem there.
That irc channel is linked to the developers slack channel, and will surely be picked up.
You know what, I'll post a link to this thread there.
And thank you for your time investigating this problem.
Cheers,
Rob
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 7:51 am
by tavasti
rghvdberg wrote:What is the actual sampling rate you run with your audio card ?
IIRC Surge could misbehave on samplerates other than 44.1Khz.
Tried both, doesn't matter. It is possible that some cracklings may appear only at 48k, but silent presets are silent on both.
rghvdberg wrote:
Also, did you put in an a bug report (issue) on github ?
If you don't feel like doing that (all cool with that) I'd suggest hopping on irc, freenode #surgesynth, and mention your problem there.
Did not yet, because I was so sure 'I have messed my system'. I'll do some more testing this evening, and I'll create issue. And I will join irc also
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:52 am
by tavasti
Got this same problem with fresh installed virtual machine with xubuntu 18.04.
- install xubuntu 18.04. At testing time, old install image and not upgrading packages, but problem does not disappear with upgrading
- install there ardour with apt (no official ardour) and surge from releases deb
- present usb audio interface to virtual machine
- start jack with qjackctl, configure to use that usb audio interface. Tried 48k and 44.1k, same results
Actually most likely not even usb audio interface presentation is needed
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:46 am
by tavasti
Same virtual machine with ubuntustudio iso, and all presets seem to work.
I'll create issue with this data.
Edit:
https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge/issues/710
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:18 pm
by stanlea
I'm almost sure it's a know issue, I have the information on the discord KXstudio channel.
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:27 pm
by tavasti
stanlea wrote:I'm almost sure it's a know issue, I have the information on the discord KXstudio channel.
Know issue by whom? And is reason know, and how to fix this?
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:30 pm
by stanlea
Copy/paste from discord :
falkTX05/02/2019
"surge" package is now on kxstudio repos
no more manual build needed
but of course remember this is still experimental stuff. the UI flickers a bit, but hey it finally runs
stanlea05/02/2019
Can someone confirm the presets loading badly ?
ecv06/02/2019
@stanlea I can confirm that at least in the build provided days ago. Only a few presets work for me. Mainly basses
rghvdberg07/02/2019
Known problem
no more accurate
Re: Surge does not work properly in my workstation
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:09 pm
by tavasti
stanlea wrote:
I have the same issue on my laptop.
It is locale issue. Run this before starting your DAW
export LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8
(Most likely this will get fixed, but for now)