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Or 2 monitors with 4 workspaces. Guess its a preference thing. I've got a 32" mounted to the wall with a 19" mounted right below it. Most major studios I've ever been in have at least 2 monitors. I have my ardour windows in 1 dual workspace, synths in another, standalone fx in another, and misc in the last. The point I was getting at earlier is simply that EVERY distro I've ever tried has had support right out of the box, without having to go and edit the xorg file.

i2productions wrote:Or 2 monitors with 4 workspaces. Guess its a preference thing. I've got a 32" mounted to the wall with a 19" mounted right below it. Most major studios I've ever been in have at least 2 monitors. I have my ardour windows in 1 dual workspace, synths in another, standalone fx in another, and misc in the last. The point I was getting at earlier is simply that EVERY distro I've ever tried has had support right out of the box, without having to go and edit the xorg file.

Yes, it's a preference, i agree with that.

I haven't had to touch an xorg file for a while, although i have a collection safely stored, just in case.

Alex.

alex stone wrote: I haven't had to touch an xorg file for a while, although i have a collection safely stored, just in case.

*knocks on wood
Haven't had to touch one since the days of fedora 4! Aim to keep it that way. Maybe one of these days soon ill try your setup out, and extend to 8 workspaces, and see if there is any appreciable difference in workflow for me. I've gotten used to the 2 monitors for about 8 years now. A little attached to them.

StudioDave wrote:I've found most of this thread unenjoyable

Sorry to hear that :/.

StudioDave wrote:I noticed that nothing in the FAQ appears to specifically prohibit advertising, nor does it define when a poster is spamming-by-advertisement.

FAQ wrote:Each board administrator has their own set of rules for their site

So, perhaps the board maintainers and/or membership should declare and sticky-post more specific guidelines for product announcements?

Personally, I think I'd prefer dealing with those on a case-by-case basis rather than trying to lawyer up a guideline.

I feel the fact that this particular thread is rather unpleasant in places mostly has to do with some people (including but not limited to l0wt3ch and I guess myself) acting generally annoying - not with the fact that it started off with an announcement of a project that's based on Linux but not free as in beer.

For example the LinuxDSP plugins are even more closed, but I don't remember having much problems with announcements for those.

I know I've been part of the problem, but when I try to be part of the solution, the misinformation campaign continues.

As far as the advertising, I agree with raboof on the case by case basis. I have no problem with commercial software(even when its free to begin with.). And I think its great when an announcement is made about said software. In this particular conundrum though, a week ago l0wt3ch posted in the kxstudio main support thread responding to a person's problem that the soulution was to buy his product and uninstall kxstudio. And then when we all started ignoring him, he posts yet another thread which clearly has no other purpose than to bat the beehive and advertise while he's at it. LinuxDSP has never, to my knowledge, posted multiple thread advertising, and has never had anything but respect for other developers and distro maintainers. I have not seen anywhere, that l0wt3ch has thanked all the talented app developers for providing him with all of that wonderful free software. With l0wt3ch, the praise seems to only have the ability to go in one direction, and if that praise doesn't come, a tantrum is thrown.

(And Dave, I'm sorry you find parts of this thread distasteful, in all reality I do to, and have the utmost respect for you as a musician and engineer!)

alex stone wrote:

i2productions wrote:Or 2 monitors with 4 workspaces. Guess its a preference thing. I've got a 32" mounted to the wall with a 19" mounted right below it. Most major studios I've ever been in have at least 2 monitors. I have my ardour windows in 1 dual workspace, synths in another, standalone fx in another, and misc in the last. The point I was getting at earlier is simply that EVERY distro I've ever tried has had support right out of the box, without having to go and edit the xorg file.

Yes, it's a preference, i agree with that.

I haven't had to touch an xorg file for a while, although i have a collection safely stored, just in case.

Alex.

Unfortunately this is one of those things that spoils you once you do it...

I now run dual-head whenever I'm recording because my laptop with Intel Graphics does it straight OOTB simply by running and launching arandr, obviously with nVidia and ATi it's a bit more complicated which admittedly has been one of the downsides of AV Linux. Without getting into distro politics I will say Ubuntu has done a much better job on this front, Debian is a PITA... once you go to a custom Kernel you are pretty much out of luck without smxi/sgfxi and it is difficult to make truly newbie friendly (we ended up incorporating it in a boot option) and I'm guessing Slackware the base (or at least distant relative) of Studio 13.37 doesn't even have that luxury or may even shun such non-free stuff in the Kernel making dual-head support more difficult...but instead of supposing...

Hey l0wt3ch what is support of proprietary Video drivers like on Studio 13.37? I am genuinely interested on how this is handled in non-Debian distros... Who knows I might go Slackware for AV Linux in the future, lord knows I'm no stranger to raw packaging from upstream...

GMaq wrote:Who knows I might go Slackware for AV Linux in the future

Arch or Linux From Scratch anyone? I really would like to see more diversity in studio distro bases. Particularly in those built from the ground up solely for audio. I tried a LFS install once, and really didn't know what I was getting into. Arch has close to the same idea, and I'm surprised there's no real studio varient for it(I've seen that ther was a project at one time.)

GMaq wrote:my laptop with Intel Graphics does it straight OOTB simply by running and launching arandr, obviously with nVidia and ATi it's a bit more complicated

FWIW I have a laptop with an nVidia card which works with the nouveau driver (though I disable accelleration) and dualhead works simply with arandr. I know some people have reported the nouveau driver causes xruns, I haven't had the time to properly configure and benchmark this laptop for audio work yet though.

GMaq wrote:Debian is a PITA... once you go to a custom Kernel you are pretty much out of luck without smxi/sgfxi

Looks like Debian will be carrying -rt packages for the 3.6+ kernels again. Not sure when that'll enter unstable though. What's smxi/sgfxi?

l0wt3ch wrote:My customized IceWM kicks the sh*t out of Unity, and I've received zero complaints about it, only praise.

Enjoy your spyware DE.

Hahahah, gosh I love those teenager types hanging around.

GMaq wrote:Debian is a PITA... once you go to a custom Kernel you are pretty much out of luck without smxi/sgfxi

running debian unstable now longer then 10 years, ever with my own custom kernel, never need to do a reinstall(except a disk failure), never use smxi/sgfxi, so sorry if I didn't get what you mean.

StudioDave wrote:I noticed that nothing in the FAQ appears to specifically prohibit advertising

Then they'd be outlawing themselves. Remember "Autumn Street Records - the opensource record label? How long was that ad at the top of the main page? You can still read posts by the moderator/"record label head" in the Backstage section about the site owner's crappy band.

brummer wrote:

GMaq wrote:Debian is a PITA... once you go to a custom Kernel you are pretty much out of luck without smxi/sgfxi

running debian unstable now longer then 10 years, ever with my own custom kernel, never need to do a reinstall(except a disk failure), never use smxi/sgfxi, so sorry if I didn't get what you mean.

Hey brummer!

1. I love Debian and Debian development tools, when I comment it is as a distributor first

2. Sure it's possible to use Sid daily and get along great like you have, however distributing Sid is a completely different story... If I didn't do AV Linux I might use Sid myself, however it doesn't work with the Remastering tools I prefer. Sid and Stable are about as different as Arch and Ubuntu, I even unsubscribed from the pkg-multimedia mailing list because it has little relevance to Stable at all.

3. My comments about Debian being a PITA were focused on proprietary ATi/nVidia drivers only, If you want proprietary drivers on Debian with a custom Kernel you either have to build them yourself or use SGFXI:

http://smxi.org/
http://techpatterns.com/forums/forum-33.html

l0wt3ch wrote:Then they'd be outlawing themselves. Remember "Autumn Street Records - the opensource record label? How long was that ad at the top of the main page?

HUGE DIFFERENCE AND YOU KNOW IT!

l0wt3ch wrote: You guys are comparing apples and oranges.

I'm sure(well maybe not after all the flac that has been fired) that if you wanted to contribute some of your earnings for a PAID ADVERTISEMENT, which is what it was, then you may have a great advertising tool!

l0wt3ch wrote:Remember "Autumn Street Records - the opensource record label? How long was that ad at the top of the main page?

Hmm, that reminds me, perhaps that ad disappeared when we switched to the new forum version and theme. I'm not sure what arrangements Nathan made, but I'll ask him whether we should put the ad back.

l0wt3ch wrote:You can still read posts by the moderator/"record label head" in the Backstage section about the site owner's crappy band.

OK, I've had enough.

From now on, I will baby-sit you and simply delete your posts when they contain further insults, profanity or general stupidity. Or when I just don't like them much.

Of course on-topic posts are still welcome, but when in doubt, I'll remove.

raboof wrote:From now on, I will baby-sit you and simply delete your posts when they contain further insults, profanity or general stupidity. Or when I just don't like them much.

Hilarious, but I will not negate myself from blame here as well, feel free to remove any insulting threads I have made, but going forward, if all we are going to "see" is on topic positive content, than I will be returning to being helpful and complimenting great app delevopers and the linux music community at large!

And now maybe we can turn this thread around into some of it's original "positive" content.

-Community agreed upon Benchmarking tools and practices going forward
-Distro Comparison
-Latency

GO!