i2productions wrote:Why do you keep coming back to e17 for me?
I don't. It's the thing I am myself most curious about of those I haven't tried.
I don't think it matters what I say about KDE, you're just going to tell me a way to tweak it to make it better, or tell me that it's insignificant.
All I've said is that it *needs* tweaking to be better and that I think you'd like it more if you tried my tweaked system. And some things you say are insignificant. What do you expect when you complain? All I did was reply.
I gave a specific example, and it's dismissed.
It was addressed. You said you couldn't change the desktop pic with right-click. You were flat out wrong, you can. What sort of example is that‽
I say I just plain don't like it(yet I actually like almost every other linux desktop), and it's dismissed.
You can like what you want, that's fine. No accounting for taste. The question is "why", that's what is interesting to discuss. And anyway, you can have your tastes but you can't demand that others respect them. There are people like Todd mentioned who say something is awful because they aren't used to what the icon is or something. If you don't want people to take your judgments to be like that, then you take the time to explain why you feel a certain way.
So this leads me to the conclussion that the game is rigged. I'm a gambler, and I do quite well at it. I know when to fold.
The game is rigged? In that you aren't winning? This isn't a win/lose war. This is just a discussion. And the rules are: say something substantial, listen to the reply; if you do it well then people learn things and come to an understanding or identify things that distinguish different DE's for different people. If you're playing a game of convince-people-that-KDE-stinks and that's the preset goal, then you're not playing the same game as me, because I'm not playing a defend-KDE-from-all-attacks game. Go look over the history. It's pretty plain that's not what I'm doing.
When you're interested in serious discussion of alternate desktops for kxstudio, let me know. Because you were one of the first people to ask me for a custom iso, and then you were one of my strongest critics when distributing further isos. I was planning on releasing kxstudio for nearly all desktops for ease of testing, but apparently there's no room in the world for them. Keep my chips, I fold.
You offered, unsolicited, that I try your iso's after I mentioned in agreement that a better out-of-the-box beginner KXStudio install was needed, and I was willing. I tried one. I didn't like it especially. I wanted to see you keep experimenting but doing so with the blessings of others and respecting their requests. You took umbrage at how some people made their statements, and that was unfortunate but not all your fault; falkTX was more polite and you offered to work with him and honor his requests. I thought that was fine. I'm busy though, so I didn't get around to trying everything. I don't know where this all-or-nothing attitude comes from. Your contributions are welcome in principle, but people also like having their concerns respected, even though nobody is perfect at expressing them.
I don't know what else to say, except that it is far too easy to interpret your words as though you have some persecution complex. I'll assume you don't, so I offer just a friendly suggestion that you try to figure out how to word things so it doesn't come across that way.
In all seriousness: best wishes and be in touch and all. I have no hard feelings here…