I have been using Windows since DOS 3.1 on 6 floppies - floppies? What are they? WAKE UP WINE !

[Daniele71]

Plugins that emulated real hardware like some well known compressor or physical modeling based instruments (piano, guitar, bass just for saying..) and so on. I can live without theme but it's understandable that some people need these things.

I think Pianoteq does the physical modeling thing quite satisfactorily. What competition does it have on Win/Mac (that it can't hold a candle to)?

I don't know but Pianoteq it's just one...

[Daniele71]

(forgive my becoming a bit pedantic, the coffee is at work )
Most of the world's music has been created and recorded without daws, plugins, or physical modeling. And when using those, once you have around six or more tracks, the human ear loses it's ability to discern each as being 'excellent', so their individual quality by default gets downgraded just by the requisite mishmash of soundwaves. At that point, mixing and mastering skills are needed, but are at the mercy of the musicians being recorded, so the 'studio techs' at home or in the remaining traditional pro studios, are tasked or paid to turn mediocrity into something hopefully of value.

Sure, you can go dawless but it's another story. Oh... we are on linuxmusicians forum so Linux it's a requirement
Anyway, different people, different needs. My point is: If you are heavily dependent on certain programs for a certain operating system, use that system. It is almost certainly the best solution. IMHO, Obviously...

[Impostor]

I don't know but Pianoteq it's just one...

That depends on one's counting system. Some 20 acoustic pianos, 7 electric pianos, 2 vibraphones, 1 classical guitar, steelpans, xylophones. All in one plugin, true :)

Don't mind me: I'm just a pianoteq fanboy. And I can't even play, go figure.

[FxLinux]

I am forced (after spending a lot of money) to MAKE windows apps work on Linux - that is the problem Linux has!

That is of course not a problem of Linux. If a person needs an OS to run Windows apps on, what would be the obvious OS to try?

You perfectly know what I am talking about!

Windows has become a pot of nonsense... and people like me have money spent... as above... and want to get rid of it and cannot...

Is it that difficult to get?

[FxLinux]

@LXAG I don't know who you think you're talking to but most people on here aren't developers and I've never seen anyone mentioning they are a developer of WINE.

I don't think people need to be lectured about what they need to do just because you and others are mentally wedded to particular windows software.

There is no lecture here, only facts...

I see there is no change... after following Linux at a distance... all the same same...

At least some distro have 'got something right'... I am glad.

I am not here to argue, I am trying to move the waters a bit and if anybody does not get it... I do not know what else to say.

I am a fan of Linux!! But I still have main PC on Windows because I am forced to stay... for now and do not wish to move to Apple... because Linux is better than both of them...

Well, i tried!

[FxLinux]

Your deadline is October 2025 or Microsoft will make over the planet - Terminator time is here - wake up, and do it WELL before that deadline to give normal users time and use YouTube as a means to advertise how easy it is to use 'per-sector' windows applications - i.e. Audio, Video, Gaming.

What's the background for this deadline? Something like "all covid vacinated people will be dead in September 2021 (or was it 2022)"?

...thinking, that we're getting older and wiser, when we're just getting old.
David Gilmour - Near The End

Covid 'vaccinated' ? What?

My main hobbies are Music making and playing, Astro-Photography - but it is a problem for me as mentioned.

Regarding Covid? I follow science since I was 9 years old, I am not that side of the coin - the opposite - and fully vaccinated and still take it... even though it has its draw-backs.

... Gilmour... we are certainly all getting old, some are old when they are 20, some adapt themselves to the times, some are born with 90IQ, others 110 average and the few at top 125IQ and upwards.
We all get old from about the age of 16, when we are at peak of cell reproduction, then we start to produce less replacement... = getting older...

My post is about what I saw in the last 30 years, nothing to do with being wise, but being awake and seeing things for what they are and not for what they 'seems' to be.

[Covid is trying and trying to come back, especially lately and not talked about!]
Ciao

[FxLinux]

Well...

Note: CAPITALS are not shouting here ! just more evident than bold!

What’s the frequency, Kenneth?

Monsters

[FxLinux]

ust do it.

... and also Linux veterans abandoning it ...

Bullshit, I am not going anywhere, I am celebrating 31 years using linux.
[/quote]

I am glad, as i was talking about Developers, not users... sorry I did not mention it.
Search it...

[FxLinux]

.. anyway, going now.

I have finished 'properly' tweaking Linux Mint.

This laptop is the 'test-bed' for my PC.

Audio adaptation of 'expensive' Windows/Mac applications, on trial right now.

'The only' reason I have not to switch to 'full' Linux just yet

I am glad Arturia works fine, apart from the MCC driver and the KeyLab keyboard LCD not working as it should ... yet.

Have a nice weekend everybody.

[Largos]

There is no lecture here, only facts...

I see there is no change... after following Linux at a distance... all the same same...

At least some distro have 'got something right'... I am glad.

I am not here to argue, I am trying to move the waters a bit and if anybody does not get it... I do not know what else to say.

I am a fan of Linux!! But I still have main PC on Windows because I am forced to stay... for now and do not wish to move to Apple... because Linux is better than both of them...

Well, i tried!

No, it's not about facts. It's your opinion that some developers, who won't even read this thread, should concentrate on making the software you paid lots of money to windows developers for, work on Linux.

I am forced (after spending a lot of money) to MAKE windows apps work on Linux - that is the problem Linux has!

This is the problem you have. It's not, by a long shot, a requirement to use windows apps, via wine, to make music on Linux. Making that a condition is entirely your choice.

[FxLinux]

I would not have been, if I started using Linux in my younger age, when in fact Windows was the de-facto OS used in Companies, so one went with what was there at the time and forced on us.
...then decades pass by... then a lot of money spent of Windows/Mac software.

I do not have problems at all with Linux in itself - I love it and always did.

I have changed my life twice - completely and even moved on another Country I did not know the language.
I do not scare easily.

When I decide to learn something, I put my heart into it, that is what I am doing with Linux... re-learning guitar and also now piano
...then again it is £££$$$€€€ spent... the problem ... Get that or not?

Then the WINE 'thing' is directly connected to it and it also is a way to get a huge amount of people moving to Linux.
Wine is doing great, my appeal is to have more developers 'for a certain time' to help Wine grow faster = Linux grows users fast - NOW is the moment Linux waited for decades.

It is already hard to get normies to move to Linux, the ones that can easily do it the same day!

Do you get it or not?

Developers are reading every line of main forums for sure!
They are the minds behind this wonderful OS... ... it is an appeal to them.

They are reading... so are the Companies producing software for Windows and Mac !
Money is keeping them from not to code for Linux... not what they earn, what they are offered to NOT code for Linux and Governments are in it - it is in their interest too!!!
WINE, 'is' the bridge that will cripple Windows - get that too?

I guess, I see the conservative niche reactions as expected... pity!

[Loki Harfagr]

You're a solipsist, core problem is I'm solipsist too and am the only true one, go away play your puny solipsism imitation.

[sysrqer]

WINE, 'is' the bridge that will cripple Windows - get that too?

If you say so.

Developers are reading every line of main forums for sure!
They are the minds behind this wonderful OS... ... it is an appeal to them.

You are completely delusional if you think wine devs are reading threads here to get ideas about the direction of their project. It's also very short sighted to think that the main reason "normies" are not using linux is because some music production software isn't working in Wine - music production is a very small segment of users in any OS. More people don't move to linux because they have no interest to, they are fine working with what they know to do what they need to do, changing their OS because of xyz doesn't even enter their mind and they don't care even if you explain to them.

Linux is what it is and you either take it, leave it, or contribute to it to change it into what you want. No amount of soapboxing on an obscure forum with a handful of users is going to change anything, you're basically just shouting into the void.

[Largos]

I would not have been, if I started using Linux in my younger age, when in fact Windows was the de-facto OS used in Companies, so one went with what was there at the time and forced on us.
...then decades pass by... then a lot of money spent of Windows/Mac software.

I do not have problems at all with Linux in itself - I love it and always did.

I have changed my life twice - completely and even moved on another Country I did not know the language.
I do not scare easily.

When I decide to learn something, I put my heart into it, that is what I am doing with Linux... re-learning guitar and also now piano
...then again it is £££$$$€€€ spent... the problem ... Get that or not?

Complaining that your windows software won't work isn't learning linux. I've spent money on Windows audio software in the past when I used Windows and if I still did, I would have spent more money on updates for it because that's how it goes with software. I certainly wouldn't be using the same software as I did 25 years ago, even though I paid hundreds for it. Every bit of software you get for nothing nowadays outperforms "pro" software of that time. It will be much more fun for you to explore the software for linux rather than being wedded to something that will never work optimally at best or just be plain broken.

Then the WINE 'thing' is directly connected to it and it also is a way to get a huge amount of people moving to Linux.
Wine is doing great, my appeal is to have more developers 'for a certain time' to help Wine grow faster = Linux grows users fast - NOW is the moment Linux waited for decades.

It is already hard to get normies to move to Linux, the ones that can easily do it the same day!

Do you get it or not?

It's already the most used operating system, it is behind on desktop computers because of an old monopoly. If you really want to get rid of Windows, lobby your legislators to stop it being taught in schools and pre-installed on computers without choice.

Developers are reading every line of main forums for sure!
They are the minds behind this wonderful OS... ... it is an appeal to them.

They are reading... so are the Companies producing software for Windows and Mac !
Money is keeping them from not to code for Linux... not what they earn, what they are offered to NOT code for Linux and Governments are in it - it is in their interest too!!!
WINE, 'is' the bridge that will cripple Windows - get that too?

I guess, I see the conservative niche reactions as expected... pity!

"They" (Wine devs) are not. "They" are receiving a large amount of resources from Valve to focus on games and it is working. In comparison, "they" are not going to have much time for the small amount of people that want to run Kontakt or whatever, that are offering them nothing.

[Linuxmusician01]

Like the topic starter I'm gonna quote myself (because it's a brilliant argument! I love myself):

Let's turn the question around. What if you've come accustomed to using Linux software [...] and you're on Windows? [addendum: or want to switch]
[...]

It's not always about the money.

Oh, and what @sysrqer said 'bout Wine. Wanna whine 'bout Wine? Contact the devs. Send 'm my regards. I hate the way Wine is going these days too.