Reaper V 6.71 is released today, and it features CLAP support!
Enjoy!
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SmoothMountain wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:22 pmReaper V 6.71 is released today, and it features CLAP support!
Enjoy!
Are there any CLAP plugins yet?
d.healey wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:13 amSmoothMountain wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:22 pmReaper V 6.71 is released today, and it features CLAP support!
Enjoy!
Are there any CLAP plugins yet?
Surge XT has a clap version.
Maybe I'm not seeing the wood for the trees, but I'm still not getting a concise description with a proper API, so can see exactly how it all goes together. Nor how an independent developer could support it.
A couple U-he discussions, long ongoing, and newer. Urs and staff can answer the technical questions.
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=574861
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=588919
I think having the best plugin system out in broad daylight is best for everyone...
except perhaps Steinberg's owners. Although I think they'd make more money
creating world-class plugins, than thrashing about in the spaghetti pit of vst3
artix_linux_user wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:09 pmwhy is the seventh new native linux format such a good thing?
is bigger, higher, stronger really allways the golden path to go?
I never missed clap and now it is here, I can not say I can't live without it.
Maybe I missed something?Next to the spliff, next to the great
Next to that chick who said I was it for a date
For users I don't think there is much benefit. I think it's a better API for developers. I notice almost all of the software in that list, except for DISTRHO, are proprietary
Developers directly benefit us users!
CLAP is open for continual improvement and innovation. As users imagine and communicate new desired capabilities,
there is hope that coders will be willing and able to make them happen. As opposed to waiting a second decade for Yamaha's
Steinberg to understand and properly support midi in closed-up-tight vst3. Dare I say musicians deserve better?
This is it in a nutshell:
The key benefits is for the developers--the licensing and ease of use. Steinberg has been trying to push developers away from VST2.4 and get them to start using VST3. However, VST3 is not well liked, so people have been continuing to publish VST2.4 plugins. For over ten years, it's been this way, because the developers just don't like VST3. Recently, Steinberg started playing with the licensing to force people to move to VST3. To do this, they did some pretty disliked things to the licensing to prevent it from being used further. In short, Steinberg Killed VST2.4 and people didn't want to move to VST3.
Developers are tired of their livelihoods being completely dependent upon Steinberg's licensing whims. To that effect, they developed an easy to use and develop for format and made the licensing so that the license can never again be taken away. That is CLAP.
There is more to it of course, and there are definite advantages to using CLAP. Only time will tell how successful it will be, but it seems to me to be doing very well for such a new format. The thing I like about it all, is that from the very beginning, Linux was treated as a legitimate OS, rather than the red-headed stepchild add-on OS that Steinberg finally started supporting after years and years of just Windows and OSX.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that we have VST3, LV2 and CLAP. It's just that for the first time, the industry is treating Linux as a full-on partner and making design decisions that include Linux right from the beginning. It takes time to get things going, but the adoption rate is actually very very good. I personally think it will continue to get better and better.
I installed the U-he Hive 2 CLAP public preview alongside my registered vsti and vst3i versions,
and loaded them all together in linux Reaper, each seems to be working fine, without conflicts, as I would expect.
You can download the four U-he synth CLAP public previews, factory sounds included, for Hive2, ACE, Diva, and Bazille at
https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=588919
Expanding their archives reveals a folder with an install script called install.sh, so cd to the extraction folder and type
bash install.sh
A thanyou message indicates successful installation. You'll find a .u-he folder with a folder for each synth you install. A .clap folder will be created, in /home/you, with a U-he folder inside, and a link to for example,
.u-he/Hive/Hive64.so or whichever ones you might install.
ACE and Bazille are modular synths, with patch-cable gui's for sound creation.
Diva provides capabilities of famed/beloved analog synths
Hive 2 is a versatile wavetable synth
For the newly curious, the lead CLAP inventor/developer, Alexander Bique, ported the U-he synths to linux,
in his spare time while at university, and also working on CLAP
(I suddenly feel so lazy )
Cheers
As far as I see, they want to make a plugin format on their own terms for devs, that make plugins that will work mostly on windows and mac, that they control. Working with existing devs on a format that is almost only used on Linux does not fit into this. People are probably conning themselves in their minds that plugin makers that only providing for Windows and Mac will start providing for Linux with this. They won't, the issue is financial not technical.
CLAP is a nice open format for devs making closed plugins. They see the benefit but users are not having it.