LinuxMusicians

Hi,
is anyone here who uses https://jammr.net ?
Its a program for live online jams and it works very well, even with a bad internet connection.
It's a standalone application with jack support.

Would be nice if someone is interested in a linuxmusicians jam, so let if me know if you would like to join

I used that in the past. It was quite funny, but I am so rubbish at playing that I stopped doing that.

42low wrote:Although i don't like to download for something like that. Especially not if not in the repro's like this one.

Maybe you will prefer wahjam:

https://github.com/wahjam/wahjam

To my understanding, it is an open source server/client compatible with jammr, which in turn are both compatible with ninjam, which I guess it was the original protocol to do this sort of online jams.

In fact, if you look at AUR PKGBUILD for jammr, you can build a jammr application from wahjam source code hosted on github:

https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/ ... LD?h=jammr

The difference is jammr/wahjam is near to real-time and therefore it's much more dynamic than sharing sound files.
It's not about the result but about these moments where you really flow into the music.

42low wrote:Again download which i don't prefer.

Not exactly. It is building from source, not downloading a precompiled binary blob. This makes it much safer, since the source code is public and available on github, the same way the Linux kernel is (for example). While a mystery binary blob could be filled with any malware, it is much harder for that to happen when building from publicly available code. Also because all changes to the code, other than being public, are tracked by a version and revision system. I consider building from source as safe as using a distro repo, but maybe someone more expert about security can comment on this.

flappix wrote:The difference is jammr/wahjam is near to real-time and therefore it's much more dynamic than sharing sound files.
It's not about the result but about these moments where you really flow into the music.

In that regard I found very interesting the way jammr makes you to think about playing with others. Given that there is a one bar delay between musicians (or something like that), it makes you think about building the music in a very different way with respect how we normally do. Ideas grow very differently and go in different ways with respect how they do in normal jams. It is hard to describe as the last time I did it was probably 5 years ago.

42low wrote:But like i said, that vision is perhaps too much out of my personal position and probably not relevant to TS or in order at your good tip. Please ignore me about that one.

No need to ignore! It is best for everybody reading this post if all the options came across clearly, in terms of pros, cons and security. This is good stuff

Personally, I do value the risk of a poisoned kernel, systemd or corrupted iso image higher, and still don't go the gentoo way - so I'd be ready to download a prebuilt binary, but what do I get? A lv2 plugin, akin to good old ninjam console? If a standalone app, is it jack aware?
My connection unfortunately is too crappy even for ninjam, but I'd maybe arrange for a better one, by appointment. And talking ninjam/wahjam: is there any repo, ppa or such with working recent builds for debian/ubuntu? Ninjam also still run public servers for random folks to have sessions on, afaik. I remember I once prepared Take Five as a giant jam loop, 16 whole 5 beat bars latency

It's a standalone program with jack support.
I don't know what's the difference between wahjam and jammr is, the website says:

jammr is the driving force behind Wahjam, the open source online jamming software that powers the jammr client and session server.

On GitHub site:

This software allows musicians to play music together over the internet. It is
compatible with and based on NINJAM (http://ninjam.com/).

So it seems to be very connected.

For jammr you can find a debian package on the website. Building from source is also very easy, so just give it a try

42low wrote:I'm thinking about starting with http://www.wikiloops.com

Thanks 42low, for that good tip! I just joined there a few days ago, got a free upgrade for a month because I helped the site owner with some bug, and discovered lots of really good musicians there already. I mean, just listen to something like this (2 people only, but wow):

https://www.wikiloops.com/backingtrack-jam-130075.php

Both clearly better than me, so I think I'll learn a lot over there. And I've downloaded the first few things to work on already.

Cool - so thanks again! And some are even using Linux...

https://www.wikiloops.com/download_tickets.php?ref=6
https://www.wikiloops.com/signup_plans.php?ref=6

Making cash out of other folks creativity, charging money on both ends - shame on them, if you ask me, but maybe it'll make some folks happy.They'll probably also have to monitor the forums, to make sure that nobody is posting e.g. dropbox links to his/her tracks or mixes.

By the way, do you think that in a not too distant future, people will be dragged into court if found in possession of stream ripper software?

Thanks for the additional info on jammr.

forestandgarden wrote:Making cash out of other folks creativity...

As far as I understood it, there are free downloads if you just wait. I think it was 5 days or so. And yes, they 'encourage' people to pay, but then again, it's a small fee like 5€/month - that's more or less money needed to keep a server like that running. I think our own small virtual server costs double of that, and it wouldn't have much space for projects with audio...

Let's see how I think once my free upgraded month is over. Until now I'm impressed by the quality of stuff there. And the way I think about it - until now - is that you'd also have to pay a bit of rent for a rehearsal room in real life - with the difference that you wouldn't have musicians from all over the world coming to your jams there...

The host is a bass player who've built his own double bass. Impressive; couldn't do that.

Cheers,
Wolfgang

flappix wrote:Hi,
is anyone here who uses https://jammr.net ?
Its a program for live online jams and it works very well, even with a bad internet connection.
It's a standalone application with jack support.

Would be nice if someone is interested in a linuxmusicians jam, so let if me know if you would like to join

Haven't known that before, but indeed, looks interesting. I don't have time to travel playing together with someone, but such online opportunity might be nice. But another problem is that I'm not so good player, and even worse on hearing on what scale / chords / notes others are playing.

So answer to your question, I would like, but I suppose I still need to learn more to be able...

How it looks like, is there sessions available nearly all the time?

Yeah, there are always 2 public sessions anybody can join.

You don't have to be a good player, I'm also not very good. You can chose a very low tempo, so it's not too hard. There is also a chat where you can settle on a harmonic context / a chord progression. Even with one or two basic chords you can have a lot of fun.

And since jammr supports jack, you don't have to use the guitar, you can also kick in a beat from hydrogen or use a synthesizer.

Would be nice to meet you on an online jam

flappix wrote:Yeah, there are always 2 public sessions anybody can join.

You don't have to be a good player, I'm also not very good. You can chose a very low tempo, so it's not too hard. There is also a chat where you can settle on a harmonic context / a chord progression. Even with one or two basic chords you can have a lot of fun.

And since jammr supports jack, you don't have to use the guitar, you can also kick in a beat from hydrogen or use a synthesizer.

Would be nice to meet you on an online jam

Ok, I'll try it when I have time. For right now I know I won't have any possibility to join before sunday.