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Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby flappix » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:55 pm

Hi,
is anyone here who uses https://jammr.net ?
Its a program for live online jams and it works very well, even with a bad internet connection.
It's a standalone application with jack support.

Would be nice if someone is interested in a linuxmusicians jam, so let if me know if you would like to join :)
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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby CrocoDuck » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:39 am

I used that in the past. It was quite funny, but I am so rubbish at playing that I stopped doing that.
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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby 42low » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:38 pm

Interesting.
Although i don't like to download for something like that. Especially not if not in the repro's like this one. :?

I'm thinking about starting with http://www.wikiloops.com

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Postby CrocoDuck » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:51 pm

42low wrote:Although i don't like to download for something like that. Especially not if not in the repro's like this one.


Maybe you will prefer wahjam:

https://github.com/wahjam/wahjam

To my understanding, it is an open source server/client compatible with jammr, which in turn are both compatible with ninjam, which I guess it was the original protocol to do this sort of online jams.

In fact, if you look at AUR PKGBUILD for jammr, you can build a jammr application from wahjam source code hosted on github:

https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/ ... LD?h=jammr
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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby 42low » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:15 pm

CrocoDuck wrote:
42low wrote:Although i don't like to download for something like that. Especially not if not in the repro's like this one.


Maybe you will prefer wahjam:

https://github.com/wahjam/wahjam

Again download which i don't prefer.
In that case i would prefer wikiloops more. Why do more difficult (with software) then simply share soundfiles (like wav or whatever). For us it's about the sound to catch in files to combine.

But perhaps it's a good alternative for TS. My personal opinion isn't "the truth" but no more than an option. :|

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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby flappix » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:02 pm

The difference is jammr/wahjam is near to real-time and therefore it's much more dynamic than sharing sound files.
It's not about the result but about these moments where you really flow into the music.

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Postby CrocoDuck » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:52 pm

42low wrote:Again download which i don't prefer.


Not exactly. It is building from source, not downloading a precompiled binary blob. This makes it much safer, since the source code is public and available on github, the same way the Linux kernel is (for example). While a mystery binary blob could be filled with any malware, it is much harder for that to happen when building from publicly available code. Also because all changes to the code, other than being public, are tracked by a version and revision system. I consider building from source as safe as using a distro repo, but maybe someone more expert about security can comment on this.
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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby CrocoDuck » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:00 pm

flappix wrote:The difference is jammr/wahjam is near to real-time and therefore it's much more dynamic than sharing sound files.
It's not about the result but about these moments where you really flow into the music.


In that regard I found very interesting the way jammr makes you to think about playing with others. Given that there is a one bar delay between musicians (or something like that), it makes you think about building the music in a very different way with respect how we normally do. Ideas grow very differently and go in different ways with respect how they do in normal jams. It is hard to describe as the last time I did it was probably 5 years ago.
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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby 42low » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:33 pm

CrocoDuck wrote:Not exactly. (...)

I totally agree. Looks good. For jamming like TS asked.

I'm more concentrated on recording, tracks, files. And for that file-exchange is enough. But like i said, that vision is perhaps too much out of my personal position and probably not relevant to TS or in order at your good tip. Please ignore me about that one. :)

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Postby CrocoDuck » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:05 pm

42low wrote:But like i said, that vision is perhaps too much out of my personal position and probably not relevant to TS or in order at your good tip. Please ignore me about that one. :)


No need to ignore! It is best for everybody reading this post if all the options came across clearly, in terms of pros, cons and security. This is good stuff :wink:
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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby forestandgarden » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:10 am

Personally, I do value the risk of a poisoned kernel, systemd or corrupted iso image higher, and still don't go the gentoo way - so I'd be ready to download a prebuilt binary, but what do I get? A lv2 plugin, akin to good old ninjam console? If a standalone app, is it jack aware?
My connection unfortunately is too crappy even for ninjam, but I'd maybe arrange for a better one, by appointment. And talking ninjam/wahjam: is there any repo, ppa or such with working recent builds for debian/ubuntu? Ninjam also still run public servers for random folks to have sessions on, afaik. I remember I once prepared Take Five as a giant jam loop, 16 whole 5 beat bars latency :)
I have come to prefer https://clyp.it over soundcloud

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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby flappix » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:39 pm

It's a standalone program with jack support.
I don't know what's the difference between wahjam and jammr is, the website says:
jammr is the driving force behind Wahjam, the open source online jamming software that powers the jammr client and session server.


On GitHub site:
This software allows musicians to play music together over the internet. It is
compatible with and based on NINJAM (http://ninjam.com/).

So it seems to be very connected.

For jammr you can find a debian package on the website. Building from source is also very easy, so just give it a try :)

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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby wjl » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:56 pm

42low wrote:I'm thinking about starting with http://www.wikiloops.com


Thanks 42low, for that good tip! I just joined there a few days ago, got a free upgrade for a month because I helped the site owner with some bug, and discovered lots of really good musicians there already. I mean, just listen to something like this (2 people only, but wow):

https://www.wikiloops.com/backingtrack-jam-130075.php

Both clearly better than me, so I think I'll learn a lot over there. And I've downloaded the first few things to work on already.

Cool - so thanks again! And some are even using Linux... :-)
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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby 42low » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:02 am

wjl wrote:
42low wrote:I'm thinking about starting with http://www.wikiloops.com


Thanks 42low, for that good tip!

You thanks for the feedback. Must really register myself too if i hear your experiences.

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Re: Who uses jammr.net ?

Postby forestandgarden » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:26 am

https://www.wikiloops.com/download_tickets.php?ref=6
https://www.wikiloops.com/signup_plans.php?ref=6


Making cash out of other folks creativity, charging money on both ends - shame on them, if you ask me, but maybe it'll make some folks happy.They'll probably also have to monitor the forums, to make sure that nobody is posting e.g. dropbox links to his/her tracks or mixes.

By the way, do you think that in a not too distant future, people will be dragged into court if found in possession of stream ripper software?

Thanks for the additional info on jammr.
I have come to prefer https://clyp.it over soundcloud


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