E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Red Leader » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:25 am

Hmm, lots to think about.

I do have a 2018.6.25 AV Linux boot disk that I can play around with... due to the connectivity issues, I don't think I ever got to the hardware testing phase.

Let me pull out AV Linux again in a live environment off the thumb drive and see what it thinks of the Emu card. At this point, it may be easier to troubleshoot the wireless/wired internet settings in AV Linux if I can get a working sound card. Plus, with having used it for 5+ years, it would be nice to stick with the home team :mrgreen:

Were scheduled to have a blizzard tomorrow. Work might let out early, and if so...more time to mess around with stuff!

@GMaq @linuxmusician01 and @merlyn + all the others you all have been so patient. Thank you. One way or another I will have to get the system back up and running because we need to finish tracking our cd. More info to come!

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Red Leader » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:54 am

Okay, so I am playing around with AV Linux live disk from USB, and:

1) I have all the EMU files

2) I try the aplay -l command, and I get card 0: PCH [HDA Intel PCH] and Subdevices: 0/1, Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

So, it looks like even under this, It is not 'seeing' the card? Is all this starting to point toward hardware failure?

I wish I could show the actual code, but I cannot connect to wireless from the live cd, so I'm posting this from a separate laptop.

Also, Ardour can be started with either ALSA or Jack from the options in the load menu. If I select ALSA, it fails. If I select Jack, it works, but I get nothing, no signal at all.

Here is my signal chain:

mic --> preamp --> converter --> via SPDIF --> EMU 0404. I have tried both optical and SPDIF and nothing works.

I'm currently downloading the newest version of AV linux and will see if that makes a difference.

Don't know where else to go from here.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Red Leader » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:57 am

Also, one other thing - in the Jack Audio Connection Kit, I am given the option of 2 interfaces:

1) hw: PCH HDA Intel
2) hw: PCH, 0 ALC887-VD Analog

I'm guessing that none of these is the Emu.

Ebay has an AF4 for about $45 with shipping, I'm wondering if I should just get that like I had before mine died and finish the recording project and then when I have a bit more $$, save up for something that is a card and plays nicer with Linux. Still not sure why even with the firmware files it is not showing up as an option.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Linuxmusician01 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:59 am

You still need to load the firmware into the card. That Fw is probably proprietary so it cannot be included in Linux. If I'm not mistaken that Fw needs to be compiled from source. If I remember correctly you were almost there.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby merlyn » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:50 am

@ Linuxmusician01 As far as I can tell you're mistaken. alsa-firmware is a package, and like any other package it could be installed from a repo or built from source.

AV Linux comes with alsa-firmware pre-installed.

@ Red Leader The fact that lspci showed the Emu card means it isn't completely fried, although it maybe isn't working 100% either. If you have another PCI slot available you could try changing the slot. Other than that this does look like there's something wrong with the card.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Linuxmusician01 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:55 am

merlyn wrote:@ Linuxmusician01 As far as I can tell you're mistaken. alsa-firmware is a package, and like any other package it could be installed from a repo or built from source.

AV Linux comes with alsa-firmware pre-installed.

@ Red Leader The fact that lspci showed the Emu card means it isn't completely fried, although it maybe isn't working 100% either. If you have another PCI slot available you could try changing the slot. Other than that this does look like there's something wrong with the card.

I stand corrected. Thank you for pointing that out. So much has been discussed in this topic that I've lost the way. Are you sure the Fw will be loaded automatically w/ that package installed?

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby merlyn » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:21 pm

Linuxmusician01 wrote:Are you sure the Fw will be loaded automatically w/ that package installed?

I don't know the exact details, but yes, it should work.

@Red Leader OK, so Linux audio is complicated, but it isn't this complicated. :)

I was looking through the whole thread and you've had three problems (1) Your Echo Audiofire stopped working (2) your networking stopped working (3) your Emu card won't work. It seems too much. Is the problem elsewhere? Like the motherboard? It could be BIOS settings, if you know how to have a look at that.

Do you know that the Echo Audiofire is definitely dead? If you could try the Echo on a friends computer it would rule out a motherboard problem as the cause of the Echo failing.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Red Leader » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:28 am

Well, what is weird is everything worked perfect, out of the box in Ubuntu. Wireless was fine, wired was fine, etc.

I thought that maybe with AV Linux being Debian based (I think?) there were some proprietary packages for firmware for the wireless card or ethernet adapter that were technically not 'free' so they were not included in the package? I don't know how AV Linux handles it, but I gave Debian a try and had the same problem with wireless and it said as much.

Regarding the AF4 unit. It doesn't have to be connected up to fritz out. When I turn it on, all the levels jump to max, with a loud, throbbing clicking hum and no sound can pass through it. I took out the guts to inspect and didn't immediately see anything fried, so I'm not sure.

I'm going to give the 2019 AV Linux a go tonight on the thumb drive and see what happens. It might be entertaining. :mrgreen:

If in the long run I cannot get the Emu to work, I will move on to greener pastures. The thing IS from 2004, so several centuries old as far as tech goes!

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Linuxmusician01 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:26 am

@Red Leader: how old is you computer? Like @Merlyn said: it might be your computer.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby merlyn » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:15 pm

Red Leader wrote:Well, what is weird is everything worked perfect, out of the box in Ubuntu.

That means the motherboard is good.

What I can't understand is that lspci shows the card and lsmod shows that the 10k1 module is loaded. I would have thought that means the card is working.

If you treat this as a hardware problem then changing the slot might work. You could try taking the card out then booting without the card. Shutdown and put the card back in, making sure it is fully pushed down in its slot. Then reboot.

It would be good if you knew that the Emu is definitely broken before you buy another card.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Red Leader » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:46 pm

Linuxmusician01 wrote:@Red Leader: how old is you computer? Like @Merlyn said: it might be your computer.


Computer is about 4 years-ish old. Intel Core i5-3570k cpu, Gigabyte motherboard, 8gig RAM, etc all other components around that same vintage.

It might only have 1 PCI slot. I'd have to verify when I get home.

I'll load up the 2019 AV Linux and throw some lspci and lsmod commands it's way :)

We'll see what happens!

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Red Leader » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:15 am

Okay, I'm testing AV Linux 2019 now. Same internet connection prob. Anyway, here were the results from what it is seeing:

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isotester@avl64box:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev c4)
00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 5 (rev c4)
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 6 (rev c4)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev a4)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation B75 Express Chipset LPC Controller (rev 04)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 4-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 04)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C216 Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04)
00:1f.5 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family 2-port SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 04)
02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
03:00.0 PCI bridge: Texas Instruments XIO2213A/B/XIO2221 PCI Express to PCI Bridge [Cheetah Express] (rev 01)
04:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments XIO2213A/B/XIO2221 IEEE-1394b OHCI Controller [Cheetah Express] (rev 01)
05:01.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs EMU10k2/CA0100/CA0102/CA10200 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series] (rev 03)




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isotester@avl64box:~$ lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
fuse                  118784  3
arc4                   16384  2
intel_rapl             24576  0
intel_powerclamp       16384  0
coretemp               16384  0
kvm_intel             180224  0
kvm                   479232  1 kvm_intel
snd_hda_codec_realtek   106496  1
irqbypass              16384  1 kvm
snd_hda_codec_generic    81920  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
crct10dif_pclmul       16384  0
crc32_pclmul           16384  0
ghash_clmulni_intel    16384  0
i915                 1507328  7
pcbc                   16384  0
snd_emu10k1           180224  0
aesni_intel           188416  1
snd_hda_intel          40960  3
snd_util_mem           16384  1 snd_emu10k1
snd_hda_codec         135168  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_realtek
snd_ac97_codec        139264  1 snd_emu10k1
aes_x86_64             20480  1 aesni_intel
cpufreq_userspace      16384  0
crypto_simd            16384  1 aesni_intel
ac97_bus               16384  1 snd_ac97_codec
glue_helper            16384  1 aesni_intel
snd_hda_core           81920  4 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_realtek
cpufreq_powersave      16384  0
cryptd                 28672  3 crypto_simd,ghash_clmulni_intel,aesni_intel
snd_rawmidi            36864  1 snd_emu10k1
cpufreq_conservative    16384  0
snd_hwdep              16384  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_hda_codec
snd_seq_device         16384  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_rawmidi
snd_pcm               114688  5 snd_hda_intel,snd_emu10k1,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_core,snd_ac97_codec
iTCO_wdt               16384  0
ath9k_htc              81920  0
ath9k_common           20480  1 ath9k_htc
drm_kms_helper        196608  1 i915
iTCO_vendor_support    16384  1 iTCO_wdt
intel_cstate           16384  0
ath9k_hw              475136  2 ath9k_htc,ath9k_common
evdev                  24576  18
serio_raw              16384  0
ath                    32768  3 ath9k_htc,ath9k_hw,ath9k_common
intel_uncore          131072  0
mac80211              528384  1 ath9k_htc
snd_timer              36864  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm
drm                   442368  8 i915,drm_kms_helper
intel_rapl_perf        16384  0
pcspkr                 16384  0
cfg80211              360448  4 ath9k_htc,mac80211,ath,ath9k_common
snd                    90112  17 snd_hda_intel,snd_emu10k1,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_codec,snd_ac97_codec,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_pcm
button                 16384  1 i915
video                  45056  1 i915
mei_me                 32768  0
sg                     36864  0
mei                   102400  1 mei_me
rfkill                 28672  3 cfg80211
ie31200_edac           16384  0
shpchp                 40960  0
lpc_ich                28672  0
soundcore              16384  1 snd
i2c_algo_bit           16384  1 i915
binfmt_misc            20480  1
sunrpc                335872  1
parport_pc             32768  1
ppdev                  20480  0
lp                     20480  0
parport                57344  3 lp,parport_pc,ppdev
ip_tables              24576  0
x_tables               40960  1 ip_tables
autofs4                49152  2
squashfs               61440  1
zstd_decompress        90112  1 squashfs
xxhash                 16384  1 zstd_decompress
loop                   32768  2
overlay               102400  1
nls_cp437              20480  1
vfat                   24576  1
fat                    73728  1 vfat
ext4                  483328  1
crc32c_generic         16384  0
crc16                  16384  1 ext4
mbcache                16384  1 ext4
jbd2                   86016  1 ext4
fscrypto               32768  1 ext4
nls_ascii              16384  1
hid_generic            16384  0
usbhid                 57344  0
hid                   135168  2 hid_generic,usbhid
sr_mod                 28672  0
cdrom                  69632  1 sr_mod
sd_mod                 53248  4
uas                    24576  0
usb_storage            65536  2 uas
ata_generic            16384  0
ata_piix               36864  1
xhci_pci               16384  0
ehci_pci               16384  0
libata                245760  2 ata_piix,ata_generic
xhci_hcd              188416  1 xhci_pci
ehci_hcd               90112  1 ehci_pci
firewire_ohci          45056  0
crc32c_intel           24576  2
psmouse               167936  0
scsi_mod              212992  6 sd_mod,usb_storage,libata,uas,sr_mod,sg
i2c_i801               28672  0
firewire_core          77824  1 firewire_ohci
r8169                  90112  0
crc_itu_t              16384  1 firewire_core
mii                    16384  1 r8169
usbcore               282624  8 ath9k_htc,usbhid,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,xhci_pci,uas,xhci_hcd,ehci_pci
fan                    16384  0
thermal                20480  0



When I checked the 'setup' for QjackCtl, it still only gives me those two generic options that don't work.

How do I get it to see this card in QjackCtl, even with all the right firmware installed? Are we at the end of the road here?

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Linuxmusician01 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:52 pm

Red Leader wrote:How do I get it to see this card in QjackCtl, even with all the right firmware installed? Are we at the end of the road here?

Could you post (yes, yet another time, sorry) the output of:

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 cat /proc/asound/cards

If your Emu card is not in there then it is not (yet) recognized.

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby GMaq » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:20 pm

@Red Leader

What are the connection issues you are seeing? Is is just wifi, or also wired?

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Re: E-mu 0404 and getting nowhere...

Postby Red Leader » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:41 pm

Linuxmusician01 wrote:
Red Leader wrote:How do I get it to see this card in QjackCtl, even with all the right firmware installed? Are we at the end of the road here?

Could you post (yes, yet another time, sorry) the output of:

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 cat /proc/asound/cards

If your Emu card is not in there then it is not (yet) recognized.


You of all people should not apologize! No worries, I will check it out today and post up code!


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