BitWig Studio 2.2 on sale until Jan 15th 2018

[GMaq]

Hi,

Just noticed BitWig 2.2 has a discount of $100.00 USD and $79.00 Euros until January 15 2018...

Will a hunnid bucks off make you a believer?

https://www.bitwig.com/en/home.html

[bhilmers]

Oh man, that's a good deal. If I wasn't so married to my current setup... It's really hard to switch workflows, but maybe I can get inspired to change? Thanks for the tip GMaq.

[noedig]

Aah damn, I thought you meant the discounted price is $100 USD... But it's a discount of $100, so down from $399 to $299.

[glowrak guy]

You might find it still bundled with a high-end Nektar midi keyboard,
here is one for $469

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/contro ... ku=1355646

If you mainly want the effects section, Bitwig 8-Track (V1.36) is bundled with
low-end controllers, that can hit the $80 mark when on sale.
And if you sprechen sie deutsch, you might get 8-Track
from a Beat magazine back issue
Cheers

[jonetsu]

Oh man, that's a good deal. If I wasn't so married to my current setup... It's really hard to switch workflows, but maybe I can get inspired to change?

As far as I see it, nothing compares to Bitwig on Linux. I've been using Ardour for years recording tracks after tracks. Before that I was using Muse. When I got Bitwig a new world, really, of possibilities opened. Mostly by using the Clip Launcher and the scenes. There's nothing else like that on Linux. So it might be just a question of seeing what Bitwig offers regarding your current workflow, what is different. Because Bitwig can also act, with the Arranger, like a regular DAW, and then the differences might not be as much.

Thus I went from always doing full tracks to working on only parts and arranging parts together. It was a relief to be able to work on smaller components and getting them right, and copying ans moving them here and there, instead of looping full tracks.

Now, if you're using wine/airwave with Windows DAWs and other softwares, you might have something in the same vein, I don't know. But that's not Linux anymore isn't it ?

Cheers.

[jonetsu]

Just a reminder that Bitwig works with an annual payment. You pay for a year hence you're entitled to get for a year's upgrades and fixes. Buying Bitwig gives you one such year. After that year, you pay to get features and fixes, or you don't. I have paid this year and will pay for next year.

[glowrak guy]

Now, if you're using wine/airwave with Windows DAWs and other softwares, you might have something in the same vein, I don't know. But that's not Linux anymore isn't it ?
Cheers.

Linux is a kernel, period. Everything else is just window dressing. or API, if you will.
There is no such thing as a 'windows daw', any more. All the good ones have Mac versions, which use a
customized BSD kernel, that is dangerously close to being a linux kissing cousin.
And now we've got a bunch of really fine daws with mac/win/linux versions . RIP Sonar...

Wine is an app that runs in systems with a linux or Mac (BSD) kernel, and greatly extends the variety and quality
of choices for a linux musician. If you are so concerned about some purified linux experience,
pick your warmest open-source pants, shirt, coat, and shoes, and make the trip to Berlin
and convince Bitwig and U-he to dump their windows and mac versions
The doorman will give you the hollywood escort back to the airport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A732Cuuo2tI

Really, software has no soul, it doesn't care, it has no team jersey and hat,
it just blindly obeys the keyboard and mouse. I double-dog-dare anyone to
install wine-staging, and spend a few days with the Aparillo demo, Synthmaster One demo,
and the free versions of SampleTank, Syntronik, and Amplitube Custom shop.
Spare time, and burger money...
Cheers

[sysrqer]

that is dangerously close to being a linux kissing cousin.

Judging from the selection we have it's obviously not that close.

[Luc]

There is no such thing as a 'windows daw', any more.

Not really true. I have tried Ableton Live and it was an awful experience. Many things didn't work. What did was horribly slow. I don't think that Studio One works either, and there must be others.

falkTX said it all about the Mac angle.

[glowrak guy]

All the good ones have Mac versions, which use a
customized BSD kernel, that is dangerously close to being a linux kissing cousin.

I have no idea what the hell you're saying with your entire post, but this specific part I have to correct.
macOS with its Obj-C Cocoa APIs could not be more different than Linux with X11/Wayland and Qt/Gtk "native" toolkits.

You're just huffing and puffing, because I'm not a foss homer. Wine runs under the linux kernel,
and also under the osx kernel, (again, dangerously close to being
kissing cousins) osx kernel was derived from bsd, and I never hinted that there are major similarities
between all the extras slapped on top of the various kernels, and how they are implemented. RIP apple mice

From https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths

"FreeBSD is Just OS X Without the Good Bits

This is as much a myth about OS X as about FreeBSD: that OS X is just FreeBSD with a pretty GUI. The two operating systems do share a lot of code, for example most userland utilities and the C library on OS X are derived from FreeBSD versions. Some of this code flow works in the other direction, for example FreeBSD 9.1 and later include a C++ stack and compiler that were originally developed for OS X, with major parts of the work done by Apple employees. Other parts are very different.

The XNU kernel used on OS X includes a few subsystems from (older versions of) FreeBSD, but is mostly an independent implementation. The similarities in the userland, however, make it much easier to port OS X code to FreeBSD than any other system. For example, both libdispatch (Grand Central Dispatch in Apple's marketing) and libc++ were written for OS X and worked on FreeBSD before any other OS."

[glowrak guy]

that is dangerously close to being a linux kissing cousin.

Judging from the selection we have it's obviously not that close.

We have a very high ratio of quality commercial daw choices per 1000 musicians,
and also several longstanding and useful freeware projects.

It's a cliche joke on win/mac musician forums to cite something
like 'all 79 linux users blah blah blah', and 'Oh, it's up to 84 now!'

Snarky linux users only help their own egos remain inflated.

[jonetsu]

Linux is a kernel, period. Everything else is just window dressing. or API, if you will.

Let's not twist things in the light of the general description. Linux, as in "Linus" is only the kernel, this is true. But for the public, Linux is the whole OS.

There is no such thing as a 'windows daw', any more. All the good ones have Mac versions, which use a
customized BSD kernel, that is dangerously close to being a linux kissing cousin.

It's not a question of technical terms, nearby or not. I haven't seen Pro Tools for Linux. And many others. It's a question of business. If Linux audio was a hyper pro market, we'd see Pro Tools running natively on Linux, to take only but that example.

And now we've got a bunch of really fine daws with mac/win/linux versions . RIP Sonar...

Like which ones ? I see Bitwig, Mixbus/Ardour. And ... ? Remember, as you've said, "linux version".

If you are so concerned about some purified linux experience,

Says who ? I'm not rushing to it because I know very well that if that kind of setup - and I say IF - runs fine, and that is, runs fine in Bitwig and Mixbus32C just as any other regular Linux plugin, then it"s a matter of a month to spend $2000 on plugins. But there are two major IFs in there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A732Cuuo2tI

Looks like that video got steam through the years, by the behaviour of many US police officers.

Really, software has no soul, it doesn't care, it has no team jersey and hat, it just blindly obeys the keyboard and mouse.

Well, not exactly if you insist. There are people investing millions to keep businesses running. These guys have team t-shirts and hats to the logo of their software products.

I double-dog-dare anyone to install wine-staging, and spend a few days with the Aparillo demo, Synthmaster One demo, and the free versions of SampleTank, Syntronik, and Amplitube Custom shop. Spare time, and burger money...

Why these ? They might not be very interesting. If the wine setup works effectively well, I want the latest Komplete, and a few Waves hardware emulation plugins to start with. Some Isotope plugins also. Some Ron Papen synths. Perhaps some Roland emulations made by Roland.

Cheers.

[CrocoDuck]

Will a hunnid bucks off make you a believer?

Maybe I will first try the demo again. I was not too satisfied a few years ago, but it does look a cool project, and much more mature. What is holding me back on most commercial products is that I don't really do a whole lot of music anymore... I would invest on something that I end up not using. A bit sad, isn't it?

"FreeBSD is Just OS X Without the Good Bits

This is as much a myth about OS X as about FreeBSD: that OS X is just FreeBSD with a pretty GUI. The two operating systems do share a lot of code, for example most userland utilities and the C library on OS X are derived from FreeBSD versions. Some of this code flow works in the other direction, for example FreeBSD 9.1 and later include a C++ stack and compiler that were originally developed for OS X, with major parts of the work done by Apple employees. Other parts are very different.

The XNU kernel used on OS X includes a few subsystems from (older versions of) FreeBSD, but is mostly an independent implementation. The similarities in the userland, however, make it much easier to port OS X code to FreeBSD than any other system. For example, both libdispatch (Grand Central Dispatch in Apple's marketing) and libc++ were written for OS X and worked on FreeBSD before any other OS."

Doesn't that mean that actually the Kernel is among the most different things in the core system from Unix OSes? It does seems like most of the similarities are in userland.

[sysrqer]

Judging from the selection we have it's obviously not that close.

We have a very high ratio of quality commercial daw choices per 1000 musicians,
and also several longstanding and useful freeware projects.

It's a cliche joke on win/mac musician forums to cite something
like 'all 79 linux users blah blah blah', and 'Oh, it's up to 84 now!'

Snarky linux users only help their own egos remain inflated.

Oh come on, we have a tiny fraction of the windows plugins and daws ported from windows. How many users there are is beside the point. If it were so close to mac then a lot more would be ported.

[GMaq]

Hi,

Buyer beware and pay attention!

A side note is it seems you have to pick USD or Euros to see the discounted price, when I clicked the 'Buy' button in my own (Canadian) currency the discount was not reflected, selecting USD did show the discount...

For any Canadians reading $300 USD is roughly $385 CDN at the exchange rate as of this writing... still a very large number unfortunately... I balked at the last minute and cancelled, I would have went for $300 CDN but a bad time of year for expenses as superfluous as yet another DAW...