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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby scottwheeler » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:49 pm

I'm not sure then, perhaps it needs some of the files from the standalone program. I installed with the deb so perhaps try putting the other files in the locations they would have gone.


It's more likely that it needs some of the libraries that it relies on installed, as that's what a deb package ensures. It's also unlikely that all of those would be available on Gentoo or any other non-Debian based distro. You can verify this by doing something like:

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$ ldd libsitala.so | grep 'not found'


But again, unfortunately, as a general rule, you can't move Linux binaries across different distributions and expect them to work.

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby khz » Mon Dec 17, 2018 3:58 pm

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ldd libsitala.so | grep 'not found'
ldd: Warnung: Sie haben kein Ausführungsrecht für `./libsitala.so'
   libcurl-gnutls.so.4 => not found

I don't expect to, I'm just trying. Often it works, often it doesn't. 50/50% No panic. :-D
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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby carlv » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:03 pm

On Ubuntu 18.04 LTS in both Ardour and Mixbus (latest version of both) it appears on the Blacklist...

[INFO]: VST Blacklist:
.....
/home/*****/.vst/libsitala.so

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby scottwheeler » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:08 pm

ldd: Warnung: Sie haben kein Ausführungsrecht für `./libsitala.so'
libcurl-gnutls.so.4 => not found


If that's the only thing that's not found, then there's a pretty good chance of actually getting it working. You'll need to install libcurl. Specifcially Sitala requires all of the dependencies listed in the .deb:

Depends: libasound2 (>= 1.0.16), libc6 (>= 2.27), libcurl3-gnutls (>= 7.16.2), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.35.8), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2), libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 (>= 2.15.1), libx11-6, libxext6


Often it works, often it doesn't. 50/50%


A lot of projects distribute binaries that work across a number of Linuxes by linking them statically. Unfortunately, that also falls foul of the LGPL, so in most cases using static linkage violates the licenses of the libraries that they're using (unless they're also shipping object files to allow the application to be re-linked, which I've never seen happen).

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby khz » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:18 pm

Yes often it is quite easy .... ugly hacks ;-)

I have entered in the "/etc/portage/package.use"

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net-misc/curl gnutls

gnutls.

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 # emerge -a1v curl

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R    ] net-misc/curl-7.63.0::gentoo  USE="ipv6 ldap ssl threads -adns -brotli -http2 -idn -kerberos -metalink -rtmp -samba -ssh -static-libs -test" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" CURL_SSL="openssl -gnutls -libressl -mbedtls -nss (-winssl)" 0 KiB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 KiB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] no

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby Linuxmusician01 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:20 pm

sysrqer wrote:I'm not sure then, perhaps it needs some of the files from the standalone program. I installed with the deb so perhaps try putting the other files in the locations they would have gone.

Probably. There are "(drum? )kits" in the .deb in the folder /usr/share/sitala/kits/. Maby the .so searches for those files in that particular directory. I put libsitala.so in my VST dir (i.e. ~/vst/). Carla complained that this VST needs more than 2 channels (i.e. more than stereo). Usually than means you can forget about it.

Extracted the windows VST from that darned msi file. Appears to need XILS because it comes with it (dunno what Xils is anymore...). I can't use the VST (i.e. the DLL) either. Forget about it. Too complicated to get to work.

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby sysrqer » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:29 pm

Linuxmusician01 wrote:
sysrqer wrote:I'm not sure then, perhaps it needs some of the files from the standalone program. I installed with the deb so perhaps try putting the other files in the locations they would have gone.

Probably. There are "(drum? )kits" in the .deb in the folder /usr/share/sitala/kits/. Maby the .so searches for those files in that particular directory. I put libsitala.so in my VST dir (i.e. ~/vst/). Carla complained that this VST needs more than 2 channels (i.e. more than stereo). Usually than means you can forget about it.

Extracted the windows VST from that darned msi file. Appears to need XILS because it comes with it (dunno what Xils is anymore...). I can't use the VST (i.e. the DLL) either. Forget about it. Too complicated to get to work.


Did you try the command that scottwheeler suggested?

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ldd libsitala.so | grep 'not found'

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby Linuxmusician01 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:39 pm

sysrqer wrote:
Linuxmusician01 wrote:
sysrqer wrote:I'm not sure then, perhaps it needs some of the files from the standalone program. I installed with the deb so perhaps try putting the other files in the locations they would have gone.

Probably. There are "(drum? )kits" in the .deb in the folder /usr/share/sitala/kits/. Maby the .so searches for those files in that particular directory. I put libsitala.so in my VST dir (i.e. ~/vst/). Carla complained that this VST needs more than 2 channels (i.e. more than stereo). Usually than means you can forget about it.

Extracted the windows VST from that darned msi file. Appears to need XILS because it comes with it (dunno what Xils is anymore...). I can't use the VST (i.e. the DLL) either. Forget about it. Too complicated to get to work.


Did you try the command that scottwheeler suggested?

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ldd libsitala.so | grep 'not found'


Good proposal. Here goes:

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ldd libsitala.so | grep 'not found'

./libsitala.so: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.27' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
./libsitala.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
./libsitala.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
./libsitala.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.9' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
   libwebkit2gtk-4.0.so.37 => not found

Do you think that Carla won't find the Sitala Linux vst because of this? My distro is quite old but I'm most definitely NOT going to upgrade for this...

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby scottwheeler » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:43 pm

carlv wrote:On Ubuntu 18.04 LTS in both Ardour and Mixbus (latest version of both) it appears on the Blacklist...

[INFO]: VST Blacklist:
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/home/*****/.vst/libsitala.so


Did you actually install the .deb or just extract the files from it? (Asking since the VST is in a different directory than the package would install it in.) Just extracting the files from it isn't meant to work. Sitala has additional library dependencies and install additional files (the default kits, icons, etc.) which will be installed when the package is installed.

The two hosts we tested with on Linux were Ardour and Bitwig, so I'm interested in seeing what the issue turns out to be.

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby scottwheeler » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:48 pm

Linuxmusician01 wrote:Good proposal. Here goes:

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ldd libsitala.so | grep 'not found'

./libsitala.so: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.27' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
./libsitala.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.8' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
./libsitala.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.21' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
./libsitala.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `CXXABI_1.3.9' not found (required by ./libsitala.so)
   libwebkit2gtk-4.0.so.37 => not found

Do you think that Carla won't find the Sitala Linux vst because of this? My distro is quite old but I'm most definitely NOT going to upgrade for this...


It's not that it "can't find it" -- it's that Sitala requires those libraries to run and your system doesn't have them. From the first couple of entries I can say, "Yes, your system is too old for this package."

A general comment that applies to Sitala or anything else that's being pulled out of a system package:

You can't just grab the binaries. If you do

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$ less whatever.deb


It'll show right up at the top which libraries that package requires. Installing the deb will make sure that those libraries get installed. But if you just extract the files from it, you have to do that checking yourself. You'll need to install the required packages with your system's package manager.

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby Linuxmusician01 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:55 pm

scottwheeler wrote:Sitala has additional library dependencies

Why are these dependencies on such new versions of these libs? Isn't it possible at all to run this VST w/ older versions of those libs?

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby scottwheeler » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:05 pm

Linuxmusician01 wrote:Why are these dependencies on such new versions of these libs? Isn't it possible at all to run this VST w/ older versions of those libs?


Because those are the defaults for Ubuntu 18.04, and this package was only intended to work with Ubuntu 18.04.

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby carlv » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:40 pm

scottwheeler wrote:[Did you actually install the .deb or just extract the files from it? (Asking since the VST is in a different directory than the package would install it in.) Just extracting the files from it isn't meant to work.


Hey Scott, thanks and a big apology for the miss direct, because i did move the vst after the initial install and it's failure to load. That said, with everything back in it's proper place after re-installation and blacklist caches cleared, I wind up with the same. The stand-alone works just fine.

Ardour:
[INFO]: VST Blacklist: /home/..../.cache/ardour5/vst64_blacklist.txt
......
/usr/lib/lxvst/libsitala.so
____________

Mixbus:
[INFO]: VST Blacklist:
.....
/usr/lib/lxvst/libsitala.so

Cheers and again, thanks.

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby scottwheeler » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:17 pm

carlv wrote:Hey Scott, thanks and a big apology for the miss direct, because i did move the vst after the initial install and it's failure to load. That said, with everything back in it's proper place after re-installation and blacklist caches cleared, I wind up with the same. The stand-alone works just fine.

Ardour:
[INFO]: VST Blacklist: /home/..../.cache/ardour5/vst64_blacklist.txt
......
/usr/lib/lxvst/libsitala.so


Can you try running the vst scanner on the command line to see if it produces any useful output? (I'm not sure that it will, but it might help us figure out what's going on.) Here's the command:

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LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/ardour5 /usr/lib/ardour5/ardour-vst-scanner -f /usr/lib/lxvst/libsitala.so

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Re: Sitala drum plugin

Postby carlv » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:03 pm

scottwheeler wrote:Can you try running the vst scanner on the command line to see if it produces any useful output? (I'm not sure that it will, but it might help us figure out what's going on.) Here's the command:.......


We get this:
bash: /usr/lib/ardour5/ardour-vst-scanner: No such file or directory


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