KXStudio 12.04 release plans

[beepo]

Hi and thanks for the quick reply

I have wine working again and running 23bit vst host. However when I try to install the wineasio:i386 the removed packages list looks too scary for me.. It seems that the whole install including kxstudio would be gone.

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$ sudo apt-get install wineasio:i386
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  syslinux gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 kxstudio-docs composite-data gir1.2-gnomekeyring-1.0 syslinux-legacy libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl libboost-python1.46.1 libindicate-gtk3 mypaint-data libmagick++4
  syslinux-common dcraw catarina libbluedevil1 libsexy2 gir1.2-appindicator3-0.1 python-pyexiv2-doc libflickcurl0 rtmpdump fuseiso9660 libdebconf-kde0 dkms liblensfun-data libgtkspell-3-0
  liblensfun0 exiftran gir1.2-gudev-1.0 xcftools gir1.2-launchpad-integration-3.0 libgutenprintui2-1 catia libdbus-glib-1-2:i386
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libdbus-glib-1-2:i386
Recommended packages:
  jackd:i386
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  a2jmidid acroread alacarte apparmor apparmor-utils apport apport-gtk apport-hooks-medibuntu apt-xapian-index aptdaemon apturl apturl-common apturl-kde arandr ardour bluedevil bluez bluez-alsa
  cadence cadence-data cadence-tools carla-control catfish checkbox checkbox-gtk claudia command-not-found compiz compiz-gnome compiz-plugins-main compiz-plugins-main-default
  compizconfig-backend-gconf composite computer-janitor computer-janitor-gtk darktable eog evolution-data-server ffado-dbus-server ffado-mixer-qt4 ffado-tools firefox firefox-globalmenu
  firefox-gnome-support foo2zjs foomatic-db-compressed-ppds furiusisomount gconf-editor gconf2 gdb gdebi gdebi-core gdebi-kde gdm gedit gimp gimp-cbmplugs gimp-dcraw gimp-dimage-color gimp-gap
  gimp-gluas gimp-gmic gimp-gutenprint gimp-plugin-registry gimp-resynthesizer gimp-texturize gir1.2-peas-1.0 gir1.2-rb-3.0 gir1.2-totem-1.0 gir1.2-ubuntuoneui-3.0 gksu gnome-applets
  gnome-applets-data gnome-bluetooth gnome-control-center gnome-doc-utils gnome-media gnome-menus gnome-panel gnome-panel-data gnome-raw-thumbnailer gnome-search-tool gnome-session-fallback
  gnome-terminal gnome-terminal-data gnome-user-share gnome-utils grdesktop gstreamer0.10-gconf gwibber gwibber-service gwibber-service-facebook gwibber-service-identica gwibber-service-twitter
  hplip hplip-data ia32-libs ibus ibus-m17n ibus-table icaclient indicator-datetime indicator-power inkscape invada-studio-plugins-lv2 jack-mixer jack-rack jackd jackd-firewire jamin jockey-common
  jockey-gtk jockey-kde kde-config-touchpad klaudia kxstudio-desktop kxstudio-desktop-base kxstudio-desktop-xfce kxstudio-meta-all kxstudio-meta-audio kxstudio-meta-audio-plugins
  kxstudio-meta-audio-plugins-lv2 kxstudio-meta-audio-plugins-vamp kxstudio-meta-codecs kxstudio-meta-graphics kxstudio-meta-restricted-extras kxstudio-repos kxstudio-welcome ladish
  language-selector-common language-selector-gnome launchpad-integration libbonoboui2-0 libcanberra-gtk-module libcanberra-gtk3-module libcompizconfig0 libconfig++8 libffado2 libgksu2-0
  libgladeui-1-11 libgnome-media-profiles-3.0-0 libgnome-vfsmm-2.6-1c2a libgnome2-0 libgnome2-common libgnome2-perl libgnome2-vfs-perl libgnomemm-2.6-1c2 libgnomeui-0 libgnomeuimm-2.6-1c2a
  libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libgnomevfs2-extra libgweather-3-0 libgweather-common libgwibber-gtk2 libgwibber2 libmetacity-private0 libmuonprivate1 libpeas-1.0-0 libpython2.7
  librhythmbox-core5 libswt-gnome-gtk-3-jni libsyncdaemon-1.0-1 libtotem0 libubuntuoneui-3.0-1 libxine1-all-plugins libxine1-gnome lsb-release lv2fil meld mercurial mercurial-common metacity
  metacity-common meterbridge muon muon-notifier muon-updater mypaint nautilus-share network-manager-gnome nvidia-common oneconf openjdk-7-jre openprinting-ppds phatch phatch-cli
  printer-driver-foo2zjs printer-driver-ptouch printer-driver-pxljr printer-driver-sag-gdi printer-driver-splix ptouch-driver pxljr python python-appindicator python-apport python-apt
  python-aptdaemon python-aptdaemon-gtk python-aptdaemon.gtk3widgets python-aptdaemon.gtkwidgets python-aptdaemon.pkcompat python-cairo python-central python-chardet python-configglue python-crypto
  python-cups python-cupshelpers python-dateutil python-dbus python-debian python-debtagshw python-defer python-dirspec python-egenix-mxdatetime python-egenix-mxtools python-fpconst python-gconf
  python-gdbm python-gi python-gi-cairo python-glade2 python-gmenu python-gnome2 python-gnomekeyring python-gnupginterface python-gobject python-gobject-2 python-gst0.10 python-gtk2
  python-gtksourceview2 python-gtkspell python-httplib2 python-ibus python-imaging python-indicate python-kde4 python-keyring python-launchpad-integration python-launchpadlib
  python-lazr.restfulclient python-lazr.uri python-liblo python-libproxy python-libxml2 python-lxml python-mako python-markupsafe python-minimal python-notify python-numpy python-oauth
  python-openssl python-packagekit python-pam python-pexpect python-piston-mini-client python-pkg-resources python-problem-report python-protobuf python-pyasn1 python-pycurl python-pyexiv2
  python-pygoocanvas python-pyinotify python-pyorbit python-pyudev python-qt4 python-qt4-dbus python-rdflib python-renderpm python-reportlab python-reportlab-accel python-serial python-simplejson
  python-sip python-smbc python-software-properties python-support python-twisted python-twisted-bin python-twisted-conch python-twisted-core python-twisted-lore python-twisted-mail
  python-twisted-names python-twisted-news python-twisted-runner python-twisted-web python-twisted-words python-ubuntu-sso-client python-ubuntuone-client python-ubuntuone-control-panel
  python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol python-uniconvertor python-vte python-wadllib python-webkit python-wnck python-wsgi-intercept python-wxgtk2.8 python-wxversion python-xapian python-xdg
  python-xkit python-zeitgeist python-zope.interface python2.7 python2.7-minimal qjackctl qtractor rakarrack rastertosag-gdi rhythmbox rhythmbox-mozilla rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder
  rhythmbox-plugin-zeitgeist rhythmbox-plugins rhythmbox-ubuntuone sessioninstaller software-center software-center-aptdaemon-plugins software-properties-common software-properties-gtk
  software-properties-kde splix system-config-printer-common system-config-printer-gnome system-config-printer-kde system-config-printer-udev texlive-extra-utils totem totem-mozilla totem-plugins
  ttf-mscorefonts-installer ubufox ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-sso-client ubuntu-sso-client-qt ubuntu-standard ubuntu-system-service ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-control-panel
  ubuntuone-control-panel-common ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk ubuntuone-control-panel-qt ubuntuone-installer ubuntustudio-audio-plugins ubuntustudio-default-settings ubuntustudio-desktop ufw
  unattended-upgrades unity unity-common unity-lens-applications unity-lens-video unity-scope-musicstores unity-scope-video-remote update-manager update-manager-core update-manager-kde
  update-notifier update-notifier-common usb-creator-common usb-creator-gtk usb-creator-kde vampy vim virtualbox-4.1 vuze xchat xchat-common xul-ext-ubufox youtube-dl zeitgeist zeitgeist-core
  zeitgeist-datahub zynjacku
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libdbus-glib-1-2:i386 wineasio:i386
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
  python-minimal python2.7-minimal (due to python-minimal)
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 380 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 97.9 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,091 MB disk space will be freed.
You are about to do something potentially harmful.

[beepo]

Thanks for your support!

By the way you mentioned festige and that works beautifully for my current purpose. It installed now without any pain and I can get testing some free VST plugins out there with easy to clean up environment

I'll try out your fix for wineasio when available and can also do some testing if it would help you in any way.

[hebjuzeb]

Just a general nube question here, how long before the liveCD is ready? When it's released, how long should I wait while braver and more experienced pioneers dive in and seek out bugs? I've found that even with a regular Ubuntu release, it's usually a few months before the forums fill up with advise.

So for someone with a working Windows partition, is it really worth jumping in right away, or should I give it a while? (I have vanilla Pangolin working in Virtualbox and it works great so far.)

While I'm here, one quick question for anyone with an opinion:
I read somewhere (don't recall the source) that it's best to put KX repositories onto Ubuntu Studio rather than regular Ubuntu, is this true?

[i2productions]

falkTX, I wanted you to know that I am now a 100% supporter of using razor-qt! I've given it a real try for a few days now with both metacity and openbox and gotta say, BRAVO! I hope we see this as the KXStudio DE of choice! I'd never given it a real shot til now and I'm a changed man, thanks for the recommendation to try it!

I had to put an EDIT in here, because i realized I was under the trance of something new and shiney. It's a great desktop, and for audio use it's already the perfect candidate. But when I step back and look at the larger picture, it may not be as user friendly for a new user as some of the other new projects out there like cinnamon. I can't see myself using it for all my daily tasks. But for an audio workflow where I've got up to a dozen apps running at the same time, and i just want things to work and the desktop itself to be snappy and stay out of my way it's the best candidate I've seen!

[Thad E Ginathom]

Has anyone installed Ubuntu Studio and then KX Studio?

I'm trying in a VM, and just hitting dependency hell at every turn.

ok.... trying

$ sudo apt-get install kxstudio-desktop-xfce

And the end of the dependency-hell line was

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~$ sudo apt-get install kxstudio-desktop-base
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 kxstudio-desktop-base : Depends: klaudia but it is not installable
                         Recommends: kxstudio-artwork-plymouth but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
b12:~$ sudo apt-get install klaudia
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Package klaudia is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source

E: Package 'klaudia' has no installation candidate

Curiously ... klaudia then installed from within Synaptic, and now everything seems to be flowing down the line. Work still in progress.

PS... there's a problem with meta-all, depends on meta-graphics "which is not going to be installed" too.

Installed meta-graphics, and meta-all is now flowing.

[GraysonPeddie]

So why isn't meta-graphics going to be installed if I'm installing meta-all? Beats me. It just does not make any sense. Heh heh.

[slowpick]

Just a general nube question here, how long before the liveCD is ready? When it's released, how long should I wait while braver and more experienced pioneers dive in and seek out bugs? I've found that even with a regular Ubuntu release, it's usually a few months before the forums fill up with advise.

So for someone with a working Windows partition, is it really worth jumping in right away, or should I give it a while? (I have vanilla Pangolin working in Virtualbox and it works great so far.)

While I'm here, one quick question for anyone with an opinion:
I read somewhere (don't recall the source) that it's best to put KX repositories onto Ubuntu Studio rather than regular Ubuntu, is this true?

I would recommend a cheap external drive, to use as testbed for mastering the partition
and resizing partition process. Ideally, to dual-boot, you should get the windows disk under
40% capacity, back up the data, then run the disk-defrag utility, then do the resize based on knowledge, instead of hope. Or if you get a trustworthy external drive, just let the windows
setup alone, and install 12.04 on the external.

[hebjuzeb]

Thanks Slowpick,
That's a good idea, I sometimes forget how cheap external HDs are. I have a clean copy of Windows, I assume it's no problem to boot that from the external drive instead?

I really like the way Ubuntu is going these days, and I think (thanks to KX plus the glorious Reaper) that Linux could dart ahead in the music-production world in terms of stability, flexibility, and control. What I need more than anything else is a version of KX, even if it's a desktop I'm not familiar with, that's guaranteed to work as intended.

That's the only way I know if it's a feasible option; I'm guaranteed to do some stupid things, but if I'm using a version that's still a little green and has some bugs, then I'm likely to blame my mistakes on the system; it's just human nature. If I can get a green-light when things are about as good as they're going to get (ie repositories check out OK, and/or Live Disc is ready) then it's time to get my hands dirty and learn the new way of doing things.

I can't resist adding off-topic asides; with Addictive Drums and Easy Drummer there are zillions of prefab loops. Now Hydrogen is (to me) a totally superior program, but sometimes I just want to grab a loop and jam. Is there a library of basic beats out there somewhere?

TL;DR: when is a KX Live DVD likely to appear?

[slowpick]

External drives, or a drive case with bare drive, allow you to boot from the early boot menu,
an f9-key, or esc often interrupt normal booting for that.

If you make a separate /home partition, you can reinstall the core system, or a new release,
in 5-10 minutes, keeping most of your personal settings intact, by not re-formatting /home
in the reinstall.

[DoosC]

Cadence : doesn't want to start anymore :

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python2: /build/buildd/sip4-4.13.2/siplib/siplib.c :10938 : sipEnumType_alloc:  L'assertion « (((currentType)->td_flags & 0x0007) == 0x0003) » a échoué.
Abandon (core dumped)

Shouldn't it use python3 ?

The main Cadence app was never ported to py3 (again due to the lack of time).
It still works here fine though. That seems more like a memory error than anything else. I say make sure your system is fully up-to-date and reboot.

Hey hey I finally found out what was wrong :

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$ apt-cache madison python-qt4
python-qt4 | 4.9.1-2ubuntu1 | http://lu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages

$ apt-cache policy python-qt4
python-qt4:
  Installé : 4.9.1-2really4.9-2u3~ppa1
  Candidat : 4.9.1-2really4.9-2u3~ppa1
 Table de version :
 *** 4.9.1-2really4.9-2u3~ppa1 0
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     4.9.1-2ubuntu1 0
        500 http://lu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages

It shows that the python-qt4 installed on my system is not the ubuntu repos version.
So here is what I did :

$ sudo apt-get install python-qt4=4.9.1-2ubuntu1 -V

And now Cadence is working again like a charm

[kissthesky7]

Hi! I've not tried KXStudio yet but plan on installing it, perhaps once Ubuntu comes out with 12.04.1. For now I am using 10.04.4 Ubuntu Studio base with rt kernel and packages from Tango Studio and apart from some issues due to PulseAudio intergration, it still works, but there are some improvements I am looking forward to. I figure its too late at this point, but I wanted to ask if it were possible to offer the KXStudio live DVD with an easy way to install another desktop such as XFCE or Fluxbox or Enlightenment?

On my "test" older computer, I have installed various distros (Salix Os, Zenwalk, Xubuntu, Bodhi linux, Arch-bang, Kororra with different desktops) including Chakra linux with KDE and I find it takes alot of ressources and I am sad to say its my least favorite... I know its a personal thing and I was told that there will not be any new updates to Tango Studio which had Gnome Classic desktop, which I may still install for now since I have space on my drives, and I want to see what its like to not have PulseAudio installed and how it affects latencies.

I read in another thread that it is recommended to install Ubuntu Studio first if I don't want KDE, but in Tango Studio, they told me that a cleaner install was better...I guess KXStudio works differently...

Note: later I will post a new thread with some questions specific to my system and goals...thnks

[wolftune]

@kissthesky7: KDE is extremely customizable. You can really set it to be less resource hungry by turning off various effects and other settings adjustments. It still may not be quite as snappy as LXDE or xfce but KDE is not necessarily a resource hog, it is very adjustable. I hope the long-term sees razor-qt evolve to being capable of all the best features of KDE because it is otherwise compatible and yet much snappier. Anyway, don't give up so quick on KDE.

@FalkTX: Is there much difference otherwise between Live-DVD versus Net-Boot ISO? Regarding your dislike of Live-DVD, does that also apply to Net-Boot ISO?
Also, I went with Mint KDE + KXStudio because I liked that Mint was actually largely a cleaner install than Kubuntu by my impression. Given that I'm happy to stick with KDE at this point, is there any real advantage to waiting for Mint KDE 13 versus just going with your KXStudio install?

[hebjuzeb]

I'm a little confused about what makes a good desktop in KX, and for music in general. I just assumed lighter=better to free up resources. But if KDE isn't particularly light, what's the benefit? I really like Unity/Ubuntu 12.04; if my PC is medium-fast (2.4GHz i3) is there a big plus to using KDE instead?

[wolftune]

In my view, the benefits of KDE are especially in its user control. It is very easy to see things the way I want, control the way windows relate to different virtual desktops, and it has the most configurable interfaces for trackpad behavior and other settings. There's good support for contextual menus. Overall, I just feel in control. I do not have enough experience with other DE's to really judge fairly though. KDE isn't particularly light, but it can be set up in ways to be more than light enough.

There is no way that KDE would be a problem with your i3 processor, and if you used it you would benefit from the user control and interface benefits that it offers, or maybe you'd find it was all irrelevant, I don't know. As a newbie, I tried a few things and just ended up feeling that only KDE really clicked and let me be in command while still working great by default. So I went with it. I'm happy.

[slowpick]

ended up feeling that only KDE really clicked and let me be in command while still working great by default.

For people doing lots of file management, having KDE Konqueror open with four windows, sorting
files by name, size, type, and date, deals a serious blow to memory lapses, and speeds up the
work flow. Being able to split windows horizontally or vertically, for more detailed tasks
is another plus. Trinity kde lets you place and space icons as you like, on a transparent taskbar, so they don't get jumbled in the middle. Great for those avoiding clutter, and helping new users have a customized system.