Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

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What should the focus be on?

Finish KDE5/Neon based ISO and make it as nice experience as possible.
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Skip the ISO, instead document and fix general issues with most common desktops
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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby rghvdberg » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:05 pm

And don't we have avlinux which incorporates the kx repos anyway?

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby tramp » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:53 am

Hey Filipe, just make both. :)

duck and run away . . .

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby millerthegorilla » Wed Jun 20, 2018 2:28 pm

I've just this week bought a 2009 iMac so i've been giving dual boot audio some serious thought.
I'd love to see a kxstudio iso as the chances of just installing it and firing it up would be high. It would be good for noobs as well and driver compatibility is at an all time high, I think.
However, the difficulties that you have had in getting neon to boot plus the hard work involved in maintaining it, plus the fact that the Ubuntu studio team are going to move to KDE plasma - https://ubuntustudio.org/2018/05/ubuntu ... y-14-2018/ plus the fact that fedora jam already uses kde plasma leaves me wondering if there is any real point in another KDE plasma distro. The fact is that it looks lovely and works well.
And also, I would like to use fedora jam which already uses KDE plasma as I prefer selinux to apparmour, but there is no current way of installing the kxstudio repos.
I've also been really liking gnome 3, for its capacity to rapidly switch apps and to keep me clutter free, so I will vote to improve the repos and documentation.
If fedora packages could be sorted that would be a dream come true.
The fedora jam spin is not well supported and there is currently no installable low latency kernel that I can see as the planet ccrma repos are not updated, so I have to build one anyways and the security/limits file needs to be edited etc. So having the wealth of apps and plugins available that kxstudio offers would be of real use.
Otherwise I will go with Ubuntu studio when it is realeased as plasma.
Will you continue to maintain 32 bit repos? Ubuntu studio are dropping support for 32 bit which seems a bit of a shame, as Linux works well for older machines and still hold their own with audio production, but if the general trend is to drop 32 bit support then it will mean less work for yourself.

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby chaocrator » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:54 am

KXstudio repos are much more important for the whole linux audio community than a conventional ISO-packed distro.
i think, the latter should be considered as a bonus that used to be, nice to have, but could be sacrificed.

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby millerthegorilla » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:47 pm

how about putting a shout out for maintainers for the iso?

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby GMaq » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:49 pm

rghvdberg wrote:And don't we have avlinux which incorporates the kx repos anyway?


It kinda used to be that AVL represented the light side of DE's with LXDE (and later XFCE4) and KXStudio gave folks a full-featured experience with KDE so with both projects available people could at least get in the neighborhood of what they were looking for, for everyone else the KX Repos are reasonably compatible aren't they? For AV Linux I don't know of any packages or plugins that have given me any problems that were specific to the Desktop Environment. If you're mostly installing DAWs and plugins they are pretty DE-agnostic anyway.

IMHO KXStudio should continue with a really nice balls-out KDE-based ISO, many people who use the so-called Audio Distros are newbies coming from other platforms and ISO's are a great way to test hardware and dip their toes in, If you have fast hardware and are coming from the latest Windows and Mac experience KDE doesn't appear as a step down. I would use KDE but my comps are all 10 years old plus so XFCE is a better fit and I know it inside and out.

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby millerthegorilla » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:02 pm

I would agree with you there about the iso, but then ubuntu studio are dropping XFCE and moving to KDE plasma in the next release. They are also dropping support for the 32 bit platform, just in case any of your machines are old enough to use that.

As it happens, what you said about the balls out KDE distro of KXstudio for the sake of Windows users testing the water and noobs dipping their toes, is a really valid point.
If there are just repos, then I would imagine that they won't necessarily be as widely known as the case where the iso is also available. I don't know how important that might be, but I would hope that users of other distros were aware of the KXStudio repos because they are so totally useful.
The only thing that I'd really like to see is them being extended in terms of their packaging to other systems, such as redhat variants like Fedora, and if possible to Gentoo or other distros as well (if they don't use debs or rpms). However, out of all the things that one might do, that sounds like an inordinate amount of work.
If I can be of any help, at any stage, then please let me know.

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby x7i7l » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:28 am

Hi all,
I think the idea of having an ISO for windows / noobs is great in theory, in reality installing kxstudio is not necessarily an easy process for a windows user / noob (it wasn't for me). Adding repositories is the least of your worries if you are installing linux for the first time, even making a usb stick that worked took an evening.

And unless the ISO stays up to date with support for hardware, it's even less likely to support new users. I for instance have not been able to install kxstudio 14.04 on my main laptop because neither the wifi nor ethernet works and I couldn't be bothered troubleshooting that.

So yea, although I was exicted about kxstudio 18.04 I think it's best to focus on the repositories.

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby gennargiu » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:13 pm

kx studio and av linux are great distro simply used for audio/video/grafichs and more productions.....Ubuntu studio is ok...... I want in the future av linux,kxstudio,ubuntu studio optimize for arm architetture (raspberry pi and other single board) :D Now for this architetture there is Tracktion Waveform 9...it's don't open source but on raspberry pi 3 work great....ciao :wink:

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby Jack Winter » Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:29 pm

FWIW, reaper & pianoteq also run on armv7.
Reaper/KDE/Archlinux. i7-2600k/16GB + i7-4700HQ/16GB, RME Multiface/Babyface, Behringer X32, WA273-EQ, 2 x WA-412, ADL-600, Tegeler TRC, etc 8) For REAPER on Linux information: https://wiki.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/REAPER_for_Linux

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby gennargiu » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:01 pm

Jack Winter wrote:FWIW, reaper & pianoteq also run on armv7.


hi,good notice,but a open source program with qtractor,ardour,and other daw I hope that in the future they can be optimized for arm architecture :D

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby bhilmers » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:41 am

The last time I tried a KX ISO (a few years ago) I couldn't get it working and I wasn't a fan of KDE. I've been happy with the repository (more than happy, elated). However, lately I've become quite interested in Neon and I'm checking their Twitter feed everyday anxiously awaiting a release to try out. In fact, I'm on the verge of abandoning anything not built with Qt. While I think the ISO is a great idea, I'm currently more interested in an up-to-date repository with a working wine-staging / wineasio, though I can see this changing by the next Ubuntu LTS in 2020.

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby chtfn » Wed Jun 27, 2018 4:14 am

That was a good read. I think everyone has made good points, and it really made me go back and forth between the ISO and the repo sides. I am still not sure what is best, but I just wanted to chime in and say:

FalkTX, we're really thankful for your work so far, and maybe something that needs to take quite a bit of weight in your decision is: which one gives you more motivation? Which one sounds exciting to you? Which one do you think will be more pleasurable to keep working on?

A lot of us here rely heavily on your generous work, and I would hate you to work on something you are not interesting in, and risk dropping it in the near future because of the little satisfaction it brings you.

Cheers

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby millerthegorilla » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:50 pm

And would you like some help with anything?

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Re: Skip the ISO and focus on documentation?

Postby Spanner » Thu Jun 28, 2018 12:35 am

Having the .ISO allows me to burn it onto a DVD and hand it to a friend who wants to try linux out.

I think it's important.

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