New Build Audio Issues

[JoppaJawbone]

Hi,
So I just got my new audio work station up and running! So happy about that, but I was wondering if anyone can help me work out the audio issue I have. My guess is that the motherboard audio driver is not installed (which I did not do) that maybe causing the issue. I have an M-Audio Audiophile 2496 soundcard also installed but only for recording in purposes. At this point I don't need to use it to output audio, I do see it come up in my audio mixer and ALSA.
I just want to listen to the audio from the headphone jack on either end of the computer.
The motherboard I'm using is an Asrock H81M, this is the manufacturer website,
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H81M/?ca ... os=Win8a64

What's the appropriate methodology for linux installs. Should I attempt the windows drivers, or is there another source to get linux specific drivers?
Are there any other drivers I should look to install? I don't have any video card, just using the integrated on the G3220 processor.


I was impressed with the KXStudio build. Love the interface, and things just click. I didn't have to worry about drivers for anything else so far, my DLink wifi card just worked first try. Not bad since it's old as sin.

Thanks!

[bazsound]

make sure that the alsa jack bridge is started, if yoiru running jack all the time you need the alsa jack bridge running so that it can route audio from alsa programs through jack. If its not running. you wont get audio.

you will need to stop jack, switch to your inernal soundcard then start the jack then restart the alsajack bridge.

Open up cadence, under the jack section there will be alsa audio . A start and stop button, and a bridge type. Alsa--Loop--Jack is what im using think its the default. if you start the alsa bridge you should get sound from no jack programs (eg media players firefox etc)

If your internel sound card is surround sound with multiple output vlc sometimes has a problem, it defaults to jack and if you play a movie thats in surround sound, it just assumes you are using surround sound and connects to all outputs. thers a way round this (but cant remember how while still using jack) i just changed vlc to use alsa instead

[JoppaJawbone]

Ok so I'm still having a little trouble with this. At the moment I'm just trying to get any audio to play, Windows Media Player, Firefox /youtube etc.

When I start up I run Jack Rack, Then I open Cadence and it tells me the ServerStatus: YES and Realtime: YES. I get a read out of my DSP load etc. My ALSA Audio bridge was defaulting to (none). I changed it to ALSA -> Loop -> JACK.

Still no Audio out of the headphone jack. This is my first time using Linux at all, let alone KX Studio, so I apologize for the lack of knowledge with how things link together and run.

Also if I choose stop and start, or exit jack and try to restart it, or press force restart, Jack will not pop up and the server status says "Stopped", Force Restart ends in "Could Not start Jack!"

[tatch]

did you press start for the alsa bridge?

[bazsound]

I had a quick google of the realtek alc892 and from a brief look, it should be supported as there were topics back in 2010 on it working in certain kernel versions. So buy now id assume it should be working properly in all kernel versions.

Whats the output of the log when you try restart jack

[Pablo]

What is the terminal output of these informative commands?

cat /proc/asound/cards ~/.jackdrc
arecord -l && aplay -l

[JoppaJawbone]

Thanks so much for the replys guys. So jack is refusing to start properly now from the desktop. Again correct me if I'm doing this wrong, Jack Rack is the only jack program I see installed. This is the correct version/module of Jack I need to be running?

When I goto terminal to start it manually here is the message I get

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zigwithepower@zigwithepower-desktop:~$ jackd -R -d alsa
jackdmp 1.9.10
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2013 Grame.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
no message buffer overruns
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
audio_reservation_init
Acquire audio card Audio0
creating alsa driver ... hw:0|hw:0|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
Using ALSA driver HDA-Intel running on card 0 - HDA Intel MID at 0xf0710000 irq 44
ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode
Cannot initialize driver
JackServer::Open failed with -1
Failed to open server

When I currently with this error try to rune the terminal output the commands you listed Pablo, I get a read out of:

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 0 [MID            ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel MID
                      HDA Intel MID at 0xf0710000 irq 44
 1 [Loopback       ]: Loopback - Loopback
                      Loopback 1
 2 [M2496          ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Audiophile 24/96
                      M Audio Audiophile 24/96 at 0xe040, irq 18
/usr/bin/jackd -R -P 85 -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2
zigwithepower@zigwithepower-desktop:~$ arecord -l && aplay -l

I then tried to manually run jack rack again,

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zigwithepower@zigwithepower-desktop:~$ jack-rack
Status update: jack_rack
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
Cannot connect to server socket err = No such file or directory
Cannot connect to server request channel
jack server is not running or cannot be started

Now I'm still making heads and tails of linux, but from what I read shouldn't the output soundcard be under hw:1, currently for me that is the loopback setting rather than the HDA Intel MID. Sorry if my ignorance is staggering on this. I wonder if Jack got deleted or was not installed properly first go around.

[Pablo]

I think you are confused by the name "Jack-Rack". Jack-Rack is not a fundamental piece of software, as you seem to think. It is just a host for ladspa plugins. Jack is the underlying audio system that kxstudio uses, don't worry too much about that. You use Cadence to setup the audio system so start Cadence in the first place and choose the audio interface you want to use.

That said, it seems that jack doesn't get along well with hw:0, the onboard card. What is the terminal output of "arecord -l && aplay -l"? I think you forgot to paste the output

EDIT: Please, show aswell which kernel module (driver) the onboard card is using. It is the first line in the output of

cat /proc/asound/modules

Cheers! Pablo

[JoppaJawbone]

Hey Pablo, Thanks so much for your help. That's what I was afraid of with Jack-Rack but I couldn't find an actual "Jack" program. My mistake.
Here is the terminal output for arecord -l && aplay-l

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**** List of CAPTURE Hardware Devices ****
card 1: Loopback [Loopback], device 0: Loopback PCM [Loopback PCM]
  Subdevices: 8/8
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
  Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
  Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
  Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
  Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
  Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
  Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
card 1: Loopback [Loopback], device 1: Loopback PCM [Loopback PCM]
  Subdevices: 8/8
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
  Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
  Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
  Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
  Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
  Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
  Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
card 2: M2496 [M Audio Audiophile 24/96], device 0: ICE1712 multi [ICE1712 multi]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
**** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 1: Loopback [Loopback], device 0: Loopback PCM [Loopback PCM]
  Subdevices: 8/8
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
  Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
  Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
  Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
  Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
  Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
  Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
card 1: Loopback [Loopback], device 1: Loopback PCM [Loopback PCM]
  Subdevices: 8/8
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
  Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
  Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
  Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
  Subdevice #4: subdevice #4
  Subdevice #5: subdevice #5
  Subdevice #6: subdevice #6
  Subdevice #7: subdevice #7
card 2: M2496 [M Audio Audiophile 24/96], device 0: ICE1712 multi [ICE1712 multi]
  Subdevices: 1/1
  Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

And here is the terminal output for cat /proc/asonud/modules

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0 snd_hda_intel
 1 snd_aloop
 2 snd_ice1712

Thanks again for helping me get on my feet with this. So excited to get this computer running! Started as a budget build and ballooned into a much nicer beast than I could have expected.

[Pablo]

Hi!

So, the onboard card hasn't any capture device and it has three HDMI playback devices.

card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0] ------> This is hw:0,3 or hw:MID,3
card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 7: HDMI 1 [HDMI 1] -------> hw:0,7 or hw:MID,7
card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 8: HDMI 2 [HDMI 2] --------> hw:0,8 or hw:MID,8

To setup Cadence to play through the onboard card, go to
Configure push button (System tab, on the right). Driver tab: Enable duplex mode, input device: None, output device: hw:0,3 or hw:MID,3.
I am guessing a bit. It could be that yo need hw:0,7 or hw:0,8, but try first hw:0,3.

Why did it fail?
By default, Cadence will select hw:0 for capture and playback. This defaults to hw:0,0 (card 0, device 0) which doesn't exist for capture neither for playback, hence it fails, or so I think. It is strange that the first playback device is number 3 instead of just 0, as it happens with most audio cards but go figure.

The M2496 hasn't this issue. It has just one device for capture and playback. But note that M2496 has a special mixer control, called envy24control or mudita24. Very similar to the windows app. Don't forget to check the Analog Volume tab, it wouldn't be rare that converter levels are set to zero the first time.

Drivers are up and running, and hopefully fine.

EDIT: Also, don't forget to do what the other guys told you: Enable the alsa-loopback in Cadence.

[JoppaJawbone]

Hey Pablo,
Unfortunately it still hasn't started working, I have alsa-loopback in cadence. I attempted audio with all 3 hw settings. hw:Mid,3 [HDMI 0]; hw:Mid,7 [HDMI 1]; hw:Mid,8 [HDMI 2]. Neither of the three was able to give me any sound. I've attached a screenshot of my desktop with a few windows open so you can maybe get a better idea of what I see. Or in this case, I'm not seeing the ability to raise my volume in the audio area or the unpictured ALSA Mixer.

You're definitely right all the drivers seem there, and non of the tests I ran (limited my skill is) came back with any driver issues. Could it be a motherboard driver issue in the case where it thinks everything is fine, but there is incompatible code misleading the computer? Don't know how feasible that is.

The other alternative we have, which is not a bad one because I will most likely be doing it this way 99% of the time anyway. We can just feed the audio out of the 2496 Card, which I will connect to my mixer. Theoretically I should be able to have the audio go both directions simultaneously allowing me to monitor my current levels and playback previous layers or accompaniments.

While it'd be great to get the audio purring from all angles, the onboard card I can suss out later as I learn Linux.

[Eino]

I need more information to help you. Please post the output of " lspci -nnk | grep audio ".

[tramp]

Those HDA driver often needs a option set.
Those are the options for your

ALC66x/67x/892
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inv-dmic Inverted internal mic workaround
dell-headset-multi Headset jack, which can also be used as mic-inchip:

https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentatio ... Models.txt

I didn't know which one is really in your board, you can try the options by edit your /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
and add

options snd-hda-intel model=asus-mode1

and run

sudo alsa force-reload

if it not work, try the next one.

But, I didn't know if any of them helps.

[Eino]

Using the "automated" realtek official driver installation leaves you to a no-sound and no hardware sound support.

So, how to install the correctly and working drivers:



1. Visit "http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/dow ... Down=false" and download the lastest Unix/Linux driver. In this example,

2. Open terminal.

3. Type: "sudo, or su" and enter root password.

4. Change to the folder where you downloaded the driver (ie: "cd ~/Downloads")

4. Type: "tar -xjf LinuxPkg_XXX.tar.bz2" , where XXX is the version of your downloaded driver (as sown in filename, example: "tar -xjf LinuxPkg_5.17rc13.tar.bz2").

5. Type: "cd realtek-linux-audiopack-YYY" , where YYY is the version of your downloaded driver (as shown if folder name, example: "cd realtek-linux-audiopack-5.17").

6. Type "tar -xjf alsa-driver-ZZZ.tar.bz2" , where ZZZ is the version corresponding to the filename (example: "tar -xjf alsa-driver-1.0.25-5.17rc13.tar.bz2").

7. Type "cd alsa-driver-WWW" , where WWW is the version corresponding to the folder name (example: "cd alsa-driver-1.0.25").

8. Type "./configure --with-cards=hda-intel"

9. Type "make"

10. Type "make install"

11. Reboot

12. Test the audio output. You can do this by right-clicking on you speaker icon and selecting sound preferences -> hardware -> select the desired audio output -> select the desired surround profile (ie: Analog Surround 5.1 Output + Analog Stereo Input) -> Test Speakers. During the installation the sound level can be mutted, check out in the slider if it is not mute!

Reason for my earlier post is for making not so generic instructions. But this is often the case with realtek drivers.

[JoppaJawbone]

Hey Eino,
I'll respond to your replys as I complete them.

First here is my results when plugging in lspci -nnk | grep audio

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03:00.0 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller [1412:1712] (rev 02)

So in your second post there were a few drivers listed from kernel.org. None of these matched up to the audio driver I need. What I found is the issue is the realtek alc892 audio driver. This seems to be a consistent problem with Linux. Everyone with a m-board using this driver has no audio, and they basically patch it as best possible.
I followed your instructions and installed the new driver from realtek.com and my system is going SLOOOOW, takes nearly a minute to boot and there is a lot changed with the audio options. alsamixer command no longer works. Before Cadence configure options listed multiple hw:Mid options, now only hw:MID,8 shows along with hw:M2496,0 [ICE1712 multi]. Cadence cannot load jack, and when playing audio files they don't play. Before they would play through I just wouldn't hear anything.

I'm debating on what to do from here. While I want to just go with the 2496 card, now knowing the intel audio chip is the issue. But the new slowness is not good. What can I do the regain the start up speed the computer previously had, and use the 2496 card as the default. When I went into the KDE audio mixer after the first reboot the computer froze switching between "playback streams" and "M Audio ....". I don't mind reloading KX Studio if need be as this is a project computer. No important files really.
I will get this to work!