zth wrote:In the spirit of constructive criticism...
wolftune, it baffles me that you can write an entire paragraph about constuctive criticism, and about writing where you disagree technically instead of calling things "ramblings", only to in the next paragraph state that you edited out ramblings (that you make very clear wasn't written by you, but someone else) without even mentioning what that was, how you disagreed, or how you edited it. I'm sure that's available in some wiki-logs, but for the people just reading this thread (like me) this can indeed seem counterproductive (editing without discussion and calling it ramblings), and quite frankly, rude.
As you say yourself, keeping a friendly atmosphere is vital. I'm sure you mean no offence, but danboid's maybe not the only one who needs to pause for a moment before posting things
Thanks, zth, indeed. I've no claim to being perfect. For the record, my opaque reference to "ramblings" referred in this case were about non-substantial minor things. In other words, the "ramblings" I changed were simply that I took some sentences and figured out how to say the same things in fewer words more clearly.
I don't think calling something "ramblings" is rude necessarily. Saying "this is too wordy, it's just rambling" is perfectly constructive feedback, for example. Often, a writer has a good topic to mention but does it in a rambling way. When an editor helps improve that, everyone wins. Both Dan and I have sometimes written things that are too rambly. The problem is when substantial ideas are dismissed by calling the whole thing "rambling". It's also a problem when criticism is hyperbolic.
So I guess I'm saying that I agree with Dan that rambling is a problem. I guess what I wanted to say all along is that (A) I don't agree with his exaggerated claim that I wrote ramblings in this case, and (B) I wish he'd separated out any claims of rambliness from disagreements about scope or accuracy. And mostly I want all of us (yes, I'm projecting, this is something for me to work on also!) to express appreciation for everyone's input and feedback and try not to be annoyed at anyone for making contributions even if we don't always agree with them or find them helpful.