Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Moderators: MattKingUSA, khz
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Hi,
I'm wanting to run CSE and TPXE software from H-pi.com, see http://www.h-pi.com/downloads.html
Thing is, I had TPXE running (with barely tolerable slow response) before on my previous install, which I messed up something when setting up KXStudio. I think TPXE worked, as in it had MIDI out, I could send its output to Pianoteq, but this was BEFORE setting up KXStudio at all. Now, with KXStudio, TPXE still loads but nothing shows up in MIDI connections in the program or elsewhere, so I can't get any output... The website doesn't say Linux is supported, but that it has been reported to work under Wine. I'd really like to have this really functional. I wish I knew what the difference was between software like REAPER that works great under WINE, this stuff which is glitchy and slow, and Melodyne which is essentially non-functioning.
I'm wanting to run CSE and TPXE software from H-pi.com, see http://www.h-pi.com/downloads.html
Thing is, I had TPXE running (with barely tolerable slow response) before on my previous install, which I messed up something when setting up KXStudio. I think TPXE worked, as in it had MIDI out, I could send its output to Pianoteq, but this was BEFORE setting up KXStudio at all. Now, with KXStudio, TPXE still loads but nothing shows up in MIDI connections in the program or elsewhere, so I can't get any output... The website doesn't say Linux is supported, but that it has been reported to work under Wine. I'd really like to have this really functional. I wish I knew what the difference was between software like REAPER that works great under WINE, this stuff which is glitchy and slow, and Melodyne which is essentially non-functioning.
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Check winecfg audio panel to see if it has jackd chosen instead of alsa.
Some things fail with one or the other. I think KX patches wine to use RT,
and has its own preferred settings. I'm still on wine 1.2xxx because it works.
Simple 16 bit 44,100 on everything might have been trumped somewhere.
http://www.codeweavers.com/ demo of the commercial wine, might be worth
testing, since wine caters more to office/gaming, and Hi-Pi looks very non-trivial.
Reaper is a 6.3 meg download. Windows apps measured in dozens or hundreds
of megs, covering a wide array of capabilities, have a far greater failure potential
based on the amount of code, compared to simple plugins, that are wedged into the
Steinberg way, at birth.
Various wine errors mentioned these, so I always put them into wines system32 folder
gdiplus
mfc42
mfc71
msvcp60
msvcp71
msvcr71
msvcr80
mscvsc60
msvcp90
msvcr90
fonts can be an issue with wine, not sure what is installed by default, so
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/15495/ad ... to-ubuntu/
Some things fail with one or the other. I think KX patches wine to use RT,
and has its own preferred settings. I'm still on wine 1.2xxx because it works.
Simple 16 bit 44,100 on everything might have been trumped somewhere.
http://www.codeweavers.com/ demo of the commercial wine, might be worth
testing, since wine caters more to office/gaming, and Hi-Pi looks very non-trivial.
Reaper is a 6.3 meg download. Windows apps measured in dozens or hundreds
of megs, covering a wide array of capabilities, have a far greater failure potential
based on the amount of code, compared to simple plugins, that are wedged into the
Steinberg way, at birth.
Various wine errors mentioned these, so I always put them into wines system32 folder
gdiplus
mfc42
mfc71
msvcp60
msvcp71
msvcr71
msvcr80
mscvsc60
msvcp90
msvcr90
fonts can be an issue with wine, not sure what is installed by default, so
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/15495/ad ... to-ubuntu/
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Oh, FONTS... maybe that's an issue. These programs come with a font to install, and I installed it, but maybe I need to install it within WINE and not just on my Linux system?? Not that this would relate to accessing the MIDI or not (and also it has nothing to do with the difference between running before or after installing KXStudio... Anyway, I'm also running REAPER and I don't want to change overall WINE settings in ways that would mess that up...
These programs are certainly less substantial, code-wise than REAPER, but they aren't fluff. I suggest others here try them, they run for free and are interesting. They are pretty simple: they are basically virtual keyboards and send out customized tunings based on using pitch-bend signals that rotate around the 16-channels of a MIDI port, thus allowing independent notes to be tuned without affecting others, up to 16-note polyphony. Some programs, notably Pianoteq, work right away allowing channel-independent pitch-bend. Some others apply any channel's pitch-bend to the whole instrument and so only work with the H-Pi (not "Hi-Pi") stuff if multiple instantiations and routing are done...
These programs are certainly less substantial, code-wise than REAPER, but they aren't fluff. I suggest others here try them, they run for free and are interesting. They are pretty simple: they are basically virtual keyboards and send out customized tunings based on using pitch-bend signals that rotate around the 16-channels of a MIDI port, thus allowing independent notes to be tuned without affecting others, up to 16-note polyphony. Some programs, notably Pianoteq, work right away allowing channel-independent pitch-bend. Some others apply any channel's pitch-bend to the whole instrument and so only work with the H-Pi (not "Hi-Pi") stuff if multiple instantiations and routing are done...
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
For fonts issues, winetricks comes handy.
Put in a terminal:
sudo apt-get install winetricks
winetricks fonts
And install the fonts, maybe allfonts?
Put in a terminal:
sudo apt-get install winetricks
winetricks fonts
And install the fonts, maybe allfonts?
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Well, that worked. But the programs are too non-responsive in Linux to end up being worthwhile... oh well. I guess Linux can't be a complete solution for me at this time. But I'll keep doing what I can with Linux, and it's been good to appreciate the system. I'll have to adapt to having multiple systems for different purposes...
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm indeed thrilled with the tools that exist on Linux! As a teacher, I am wholeheartedly encouraging my students to consider Linux. I even updated my website to recommend Linux, and specifically your KXStudio solution!
But I need to access Melodyne and to access this specialty software for my keyboard, so I'll have to keep using Windows or Mac for those.
I'm otherwise happy to use the particular synths or effects or recording solutions that exist in Linux, and to do my best to support their development.
But I need to access Melodyne and to access this specialty software for my keyboard, so I'll have to keep using Windows or Mac for those.
I'm otherwise happy to use the particular synths or effects or recording solutions that exist in Linux, and to do my best to support their development.
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
On a side note, Open Octave sounds absolutely amazing. I am MOST excited about contributing to things when I know they will be available to everyone. I'm considering donating... I'd definitely like to try it out, I'm installing that repository.
I am really impressed and pleased with the support and positive environment of the community here and in the GNU/Linux world overall.
I am not wanting to run Linux just to use Windows apps. I am running Linux to escape from Apple's ongoing lock-down of their systems. I want to control my own system but I want also to be able to influence and support ongoing development for the community overall. I am very supportive of the FLOSS ideology. But I need certain tools for my research and creative work. For me, Melodyne is not just a pitch-corrector for recording pop songs or something (in that case, I'd deal with what Linux offers) — I use Melodyne for intense microtonal studies of music theory, so the quality, control, and interface are necessary.
But it really means a lot to me that I can wholeheartedly recommend to my students (and everyone) the same tools I use. I can't get my students to spend hundreds of dollars on programs they aren't sure about, and I don't want them to use demos to try things and then be roped into using some restricted platform. Using and promoting FLOSS is worth the other compromises. But, I do need to be sure that things work, and work reliably.
Thank YOU for all your work!!
Oh, and no, I haven't tried WINE 1.4 yet... Is there any risk to trying it? You really think it might work with Melodyne? I tried the demo and it was completely dysfunctional, not just glitchy and slow like the H-Pi stuff.
I am really impressed and pleased with the support and positive environment of the community here and in the GNU/Linux world overall.
I am not wanting to run Linux just to use Windows apps. I am running Linux to escape from Apple's ongoing lock-down of their systems. I want to control my own system but I want also to be able to influence and support ongoing development for the community overall. I am very supportive of the FLOSS ideology. But I need certain tools for my research and creative work. For me, Melodyne is not just a pitch-corrector for recording pop songs or something (in that case, I'd deal with what Linux offers) — I use Melodyne for intense microtonal studies of music theory, so the quality, control, and interface are necessary.
But it really means a lot to me that I can wholeheartedly recommend to my students (and everyone) the same tools I use. I can't get my students to spend hundreds of dollars on programs they aren't sure about, and I don't want them to use demos to try things and then be roped into using some restricted platform. Using and promoting FLOSS is worth the other compromises. But, I do need to be sure that things work, and work reliably.
Thank YOU for all your work!!
Oh, and no, I haven't tried WINE 1.4 yet... Is there any risk to trying it? You really think it might work with Melodyne? I tried the demo and it was completely dysfunctional, not just glitchy and slow like the H-Pi stuff.
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Thanks, this is all new to me... So I want the "rt" thing, though, don't I? I installed KXStudio, so I have that, no? And installing Wine 1.4 I might lose it? or have to reset it? Or is it that I might not want it?
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Thanks, but I know about other pitch-correction software. Melodyne is far more than that. Melodyne is super-advanced pitch and timing adjustment and more. It can control amount of vibrato, specific note-by-note timing and stretching, precise pitch, note-by-note formants, and more with a very effective interface. The new version adds capacity to actually break polyphonic recordings into separate pitches which can be independently edited -- you can actually change chord-quality within a polyphonic recording. It can also now adjust to non-standard scales of any number of pitches. The quality is so good that you can scrub the audio at any speed, even pausing at a given point and hear a steady tone quality. While some use it for pitch correction mostly, it is far deeper and there is really nothing else quite like it.
That said, I definitely intend to explore what things are possible with zita-at1!
That said, I definitely intend to explore what things are possible with zita-at1!
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!
WINE 1.4!!!!!!!!!!!
I can now run the H-Pi software PERFECTLY! No lag, no issues! MIDI connected to Pianoteq!
This is awesome! Now Melodyne might be the ONLY issue for me (and I haven't yet tried it under WINE 1.4...
WINE 1.4!!!!!!!!!!!
I can now run the H-Pi software PERFECTLY! No lag, no issues! MIDI connected to Pianoteq!
This is awesome! Now Melodyne might be the ONLY issue for me (and I haven't yet tried it under WINE 1.4...
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 11
- Joined: Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:41 am
- Location: Physically: wh0relando Mentally: Fiji
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
edit: I just realized what a 'tard I am by not checking dates before posting... forgot to search for more "recent" threads... lol... I'm so sorry!!!falkTX wrote:Checkout Ardour, Qtractor, Rosegarden, OpenOctave, Renoise or any other real linux applications for once.
I personally love Renoise and OpenOctave.
does no one use bitwig on linux? is it because it's closed source? this is an honest question, I'm not trolling, I have honestly been considering purchasing bitwig for the simple fact of it being crossplatform... and very well made from what I've seen so far anyways... I am by no means a professional, nor am I very experienced when it comes to linux... still all quite new to me, but learning what I can as fast as I can!
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
Personally, I moved to GNU/Linux for the freedom more than anything else. Bitwig goes against that although, among compromises, Bitwig on GNU/Linux is a better pairing for freedom than Ardour on Windows
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
I always keep a demo version around for tests, and I like it. I would probably buy it if I could afford it. I've been in dire financial situation for years.blast0id wrote:does no one use bitwig on linux? is it because it's closed source? this is an honest question, I'm not trolling, I have honestly been considering purchasing bitwig for the simple fact of it being crossplatform... and very well made from what I've seen so far anyways... I am by no means a professional, nor am I very experienced when it comes to linux... still all quite new to me, but learning what I can as fast as I can!
I absolutely hate the way it tries to implement MIDI, but for everything else, I think it's very good. I don't think you would regret it.
However, maybe you should know that Reaper runs well on Wine and there is a native Linux version being developed.
Also, FL Studio is reported to run very, very well on Wine:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager. ... &iId=32045
I've been using Tracktion. It's very good, quite affordable and also cross-platform, the way you like it. But it crashes many, many, many times per session. It drives me up the wall sometimes.
Now it's your choice.
-
- Established Member
- Posts: 1350
- Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:40 pm
- Location: Portland, OR
- Been thanked: 2 times
- Contact:
Re: Getting MIDI through WINE for windows programs
And Ardour continues to improve, of course, although it is a somewhat different focus, less oriented toward live playing.