will we lose our apps to Mac and Windows eventually??

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will we lose our apps to Mac and Windows eventually??

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NO, this ain't me hating Windows or Mac. I just want to know what folks think.
The reason is that you go to Ardour, the default is Mac, then Mac again, the all other platforms. As SuperDave explained to me before, the MAc users donate a lot to Ardour so they get preference.
Will that happen with other apps? Will Ardour stop making Linux versions? Will we be back to stone age of ProAudio on Linux?

Just a matter of time before they start using other apps and for faster bug fixed and releases, they will start donating...
SHOULD WE BE DONATING and eventually have Linux become completely paid for OS like the others??

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I'm happy to donate to projects - lets face it, this is a very specialised area, and if someone is trying to make a living off it (which must be hard), but at the same time making available software that would otherwise cost a lot of money, then why not?

Not every project asks for donations of course, but I think it's worth making a donation to something if it's at the core of what you do, and you appreciate it's value to you.

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werock, I couldn't agree with you more.... we do have the best platform for audio and the apps are world class already.

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funkmuscle wrote:Will Ardour stop making Linux versions?
Even if 'they' would, there'd be nothing to stop 'us' from maintaining a Linux version.
SHOULD WE BE DONATING and eventually have Linux become completely paid for OS like the others??
I have a bit of mixed feelings about donating: including money in the mix can really mess up group dynamics. Luckily in the case of Ardour this does not seem to have led to any problems - and I have made donations to various projects.

Linux will never really be 'like the others', because you only pay for it if you actually think it's worthy. With 'the others', you can do that too, but it is illegal ;).

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I don't think so. I understand why Ardour chooses to bold out Mac OS, but really, what other software does that?

With time Linux Audio becomes more and more powerful. Each month delivers something that was not there before, sometimes those steps are small, sometimes huge.

I think with the increasing popularity of desktop Linux there might be a time when a company or two will invest into Linux Audio and make some completing touches to software which needs only several more stuff to become killer apps (like Kluppe).

As for donating - I think most of us are donating to Ardour, I do it with a monthly subscription. I would also donate to Qtractor and to ReZound and to Kluppe. I am ready to help out with my money, this is a worthy thing for me.

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if you develop cross platform open source code, then you will focus on the platform were you get most feedback and suggestions, that's natural.
Open Source isn't bounded to a special Os.

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brummer wrote:if you develop cross platform open source code, then you will focus on the platform were you get most feedback and suggestions, that's natural.
Open Source isn't bounded to a special Os.
Then why did we let Ardour slip away then?? Even H2 has more Windows download than Linux....

Maybe if we're serious about being musicians using Linux, we should take part in our apps more...
I do my best on testing and giving feedback, maybe we need more of that from the ones who cannot donate.

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Louigi Verona wrote:I don't think so. I understand why Ardour chooses to bold out Mac OS, but really, what other software does that?
From reading proaudio articles, Ardour is the heart of Linux Proaudio like ProTools for Windows and Macs(I think).
Yeah, they have Cubebase, etc., we have Rosegarden, Traverso, Qtractor, etc., but still ProTools, like Ardour is the heart of it.

I just think we need to help out more... More svn or git testing... we need to show interest. :D

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ProTools is they say an "industry standard", but I personally don't know any musician who is using it. I do know hundreds of people who use Cubase, FL Studio, Reason and Ableton Live.

Same here. Ardour (and ProTools) are especially good for recording artists, but they are not very well suited for musicians who write electronic type of music. When the "industry" was mostly recording artists, ProTools was the heart of it. Nowadays I don't think it is the heart of the music "industry" anymore, since a very big percentage of musicians nowadays do not record guitars into mics, but use various synthesizers and software tools to sequence their music.

So to me Qtractor and LV2 development is the heart of Linux Audio, not Ardour (at least not until it has midi). Qtractor is strictly Linux centered, so is the LV2 standard.

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Louigi Verona wrote:ProTools is they say an "industry standard", but I personally don't know any musician who is using it. I do know hundreds of people who use Cubase, FL Studio, Reason and Ableton Live.

Same here. Ardour (and ProTools) are especially good for recording artists, but they are not very well suited for musicians who write electronic type of music. When the "industry" was mostly recording artists, ProTools was the heart of it. Nowadays I don't think it is the heart of the music "industry" anymore, since a very big percentage of musicians nowadays do not record guitars into mics, but use various synthesizers and software tools to sequence their music.

So to me Qtractor and LV2 development is the heart of Linux Audio, not Ardour (at least not until it has midi). Qtractor is strictly Linux centered, so is the LV2 standard.

Which bring back another thread I started here about Linux being used by mostly keyboardist and electronic musician that's why we lacked in guitar apps until brummer's guitarix and rakarrack.

The musician's I know yes record guitar's without mics like myself, we use H2 for drums or Windows/Mac equivalent but that is to get a real sound of natural instruments, not the electronic sound. I've used and still use Rosegarden, Qtractor, and Traverso and still I come back to Ardour...

You can just do more with Ardour except for midi which is coming...
using buss on these other apps just don't do it. I'm nowhere close to being a pro recording artist and very naive when it comes to recording yet Ardour seems to be the easiest to use. LMMS confuses the living daylight out of me.

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Qtractor all the way here. And it doesn't feel like the Stone Age.
How many musicians are using Mac/Windows? And how many musicians use GNU/Linux? I think you'll be flabbergasted when you see the huge difference (just check the number of active people here on the forum and on LAU for example!). My guess is that less than 5000 musicians are using GNU/Linux in a way, maybe that number is even less than 2500. The number of musicians using the other two OS's, guess we're talking about tens of thousands of people. I'm only guessing here though :)

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well, if it scales with the number of PCs in use world-wide, the ratio windoze vs others is absolutely aberrant. I read somewhere that windoze PCs represent 85-90%. I don't know the precise figure, but that was something of this order. Linux is very lucky to have a few dedicated devs that know what they are doing (most of the time, that is, when they do not fight each other on things that don't make sense to users ;) ).

I tend to see these things as agnostic tools (be they linux, windoze, mac, etc). The real OS is the user's brain and body. After that, it's a matter of how comfortable you are in the way you expand your natural OS to create something nice and enjoyable :)

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AutoStatic, you're right about Linux and the musicians are mostly electronic musicians which was the old thread I mentioned that I started.
Qtractor is an awesome app but still, Ardour is the heart and soul. It's the real pro audio app. Qtractor is still alpha I think... I do use it.

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Hi!

I'm wondering about the fact that nobody has brought up the argument that there are benefits if an application is not only targeted at linux. You have a lot more people who can test your application or translate it, write documentation or write new features... And those are real benefits for the users, not only for the developers(like money..). So maybe we should ask "what do we gain if an application attracts more users on other platforms" ?
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funkmuscle wrote:AutoStatic, you're right about Linux and the musicians are mostly electronic musicians which was the old thread I mentioned that I started.
Louigi's right, not me ;)

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