Ubuntu Studio 19.04 - tried to upgrade and have lost JACK, Ardour, Cadence amongst others

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Ubuntu Studio 19.04 - tried to upgrade and have lost JACK, Ardour, Cadence amongst others

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Long story short, had been chasing xruns for a while, saw a post here saying that Ubuntu Studio 19.10 was out, and thought I should upgrade to see if anything changed.

Ran do-release-upgrade thinking this was probably the cleanest way to do it.

Went to record some audio this afternoon and couldn't find Cadence. Then realised I couldn't find JACK. Or Ardour. There's probably more...

Tried to reinstall JACKd through the command line -

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aidan@Evance:~$ sudo apt-get install jackd
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 jackd : Depends: jackd2 but it is not going to be installed or
                  jackd1 but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
Ran

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sudo apt update --fix-missing
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sudo apt install -f
with no change.

Thought I'd try Synaptic on a whim: can't copy and paste the output, but basically it was saying "To be removed: bitwig-sutdio, drumgizmo, guitarix, hydrogen, wine-stable..." and a whole bunch more. Hell no!

What have I screwed up here?! Can I recover it?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 19.04 - tried to upgrade and have lost JACK, Ardour, Cadence amongst others

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After backing up your home and opt folders, do a new install of 19.10,
copy over what you can, and reinstall the rest. You'll
save time, saniity, and have a fresh improved system.

If you have or can access a windows setup, an app call rufous will
put a linux iso in bootable condition on a usb stick,
from where it can be installed, or burn a dvd etc.

Having a couple of bootable linux sticks or drives
can buy a lot of peace and happiness.

You might be able to use synaptics offering, as long as no crucial
system libs or boot apps are in the uninstall list. But you'll have
an older and likely unstable system for awhile, so why bother?

Upgrading from Mint 18.x to 19.x can also be a trainwreck sometimes,
it's not your fault. Just sacrifice a couple of hours, and keep some
favorite snacks/drinks handy. For what it's worth, I've never used
stable wineHQ, just the staging versions. When you get a working
system, (wine-staging .4.20 Ubuntu Studio 19.10 in my case) cease all upgrading,
and setup a testing distro on an external drive,
and focus on productivity. When a newer system is well tested in spare time,
and proves useful, make it the producer station, and start a new testing setup
on the previous drive etc
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Re: Ubuntu Studio 19.04 - tried to upgrade and have lost JACK, Ardour, Cadence amongst others

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Thanks for the reply. My biggest concern with a full reinstall is the bandwidth required for all the downloads - bandwidth is a very precious resource for me (both quantity and download speed are extremely limited - basically, I live full time in a bus and am solely reliant on mobile tethering in a bit of a cell blackspot).

How easy is it to move over other installed software - in particular games - rather than redownloading?

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 19.04 - tried to upgrade and have lost JACK, Ardour, Cadence amongst others

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Perhaps a metapackage was removed making the system think that ardour etc are unneeded packages. You could have a look through synaptic for meta packages, I would imagine that it would have studio in the name, of look under the sources section it's probably all from a ppa.

I wouldn't install jack explicitly, you could try installing qjackctl and that should pull in the jack packages it needs.

Alternatively, if there is an Ubuntu studio forum then that might be a better place to ask.

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 19.04 - tried to upgrade and have lost JACK, Ardour, Cadence amongst others

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IIRC when upgrading Ubuntu all ppa/external repos are disabled.
Could be a cause of things.
Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/

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rghvdberg wrote:IIRC when upgrading Ubuntu all ppa/external repos are disabled.
Could be a cause of things.
Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
Yes, this is correct. Completely forgot about that!

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Re: Ubuntu Studio 19.04 - tried to upgrade and have lost JACK, Ardour, Cadence amongst others

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rghvdberg wrote:IIRC when upgrading Ubuntu all ppa/external repos are disabled.
Could be a cause of things.
Check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
Thanks - so the PPAs listed in that directory are active? It's still showing my kxstudio sources as well as a few other external sources I've added over the last year or so. So my take on that is that they're still active.

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check the contents of the files
probably there are things commented out with a `#`

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rghvdberg wrote:check the contents of the files
probably there are things commented out with a `#`
Thanks - al the KXstudio ones at least seem to still have their contents all OK.

I found a command to show the list of what was uninstalled - it's extensive:

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aidan@Evance:~$ awk '$3 == "remove" { print $1, $2, $4 }' /var/log/dpkg.log | tee list
2020-02-04 14:29:38 linux-image-5.0.0-32-lowlatency:amd64
2020-02-04 14:29:41 linux-modules-5.0.0-32-lowlatency:amd64
2020-02-04 14:30:25 linux-headers-5.0.0-32-generic:amd64
2020-02-04 14:30:26 linux-headers-5.0.0-32-lowlatency:amd64
2020-02-04 14:30:27 linux-headers-5.0.0-32:all
2020-02-04 14:30:37 linux-modules-extra-5.0.0-32-generic:amd64
2020-02-04 14:30:48 linux-image-5.0.0-32-generic:amd64
2020-02-04 14:30:51 linux-modules-5.0.0-32-generic:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:20 ardour:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:20 cadence:all
2020-02-11 12:37:20 claudia:all
2020-02-11 12:37:21 gladish:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:21 idjc:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:21 jack-keyboard:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:21 jack-mixer:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:22 jack-tools:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:22 qjackctl:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:22 rakarrack:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:22 jackd2-firewire:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:22 laditools:all
2020-02-11 12:37:22 python-laditools:all
2020-02-11 12:37:23 jamin:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:23 ladish:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:23 meterbridge:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:23 qmidinet:amd64
2020-02-11 12:37:24 jackd:all
2020-02-11 12:37:24 jackd2:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:38 ardour-data:all
2020-02-11 13:02:38 ardour-video-timeline:all
2020-02-11 13:02:38 catia:all
2020-02-11 13:02:38 cadence-tools:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:39 cadence-data:all
2020-02-11 13:02:39 calf-ladspa:all
2020-02-11 13:02:39 fonts-wine:all
2020-02-11 13:02:39 harvid:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:39 libflowcanvas5v5:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:39 libgnomecanvasmm-2.6-1v5:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:40 libjs-jquery-colorbox:all
2020-02-11 13:02:44 libqm-dsp0:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:45 libshout-idjc3:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:45 libsmf0:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:45 vamp-plugin-sdk:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:45 libvamp-sdk2v5:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:45 wine32:i386
2020-02-11 13:02:46 libwine:i386
2020-02-11 13:02:46 python-enum34:all
2020-02-11 13:02:46 python-eyed3:all
2020-02-11 13:02:47 python-fpconst:all
2020-02-11 13:02:47 python-gtk2:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:47 python-irc:all
2020-02-11 13:02:48 python-magic:all
2020-02-11 13:02:48 python-mutagen:all
2020-02-11 13:02:48 python-pathlib:all
2020-02-11 13:02:48 python-xdg:all
2020-02-11 13:02:49 python3-macholib:all
2020-02-11 13:02:49 python3-altgraph:all
2020-02-11 13:02:54 python3-rply:all
2020-02-11 13:02:55 python3-appdirs:all
2020-02-11 13:02:55 python3-clint:all
2020-02-11 13:02:56 python3-args:all
2020-02-11 13:02:56 python3-astor:all
2020-02-11 13:02:56 python3-dbus.mainloop.qt:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:56 python3-easywebdav:all
2020-02-11 13:02:57 python3-gnupg:all
2020-02-11 13:02:57 python3-pyelftools:all
2020-02-11 13:02:57 python3-pyqt5.qtopengl:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:57 sox:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:58 tcl-tls:amd64
2020-02-11 13:02:58 tcllib:all
2020-02-11 13:02:58 twolame:amd64
2020-02-11 14:25:39 orca:all
I'm looking at simply abandoning this install for me (my family use it under other logins, which are still working fine for them) and installing the new UbuntuStudio alongside it. But I would dearely love to know why the hell all this stuff got uninstalled.

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It was explained in the previous post. Ubuntu disables ppas on an upgrade so the packages are now orphans so the system thinks they can be safely removed. Post the contents of the apt file previously mentioned or find out how to add the updated ppa to your install, it should be an easy fix.

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Don't worry, your system is fine.
I'd delete the ppa lists, update upgrade the system.
Add the kxstudio repos (make absolutely 100000% sure to read the info on the page, because things have changed recently)
And just reinstall your packages.
As long as you didn't wipe your config files in your home dir everything should be fine and all settings you've made will magically be applied.
https://kx.studio/Repositories

Again, don't panic. :wink:

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Ubuntu Studio has an amazing app ubuntustudio-controls that now handles the Jack server, similar to Cadence. And both ubuntu studio and kxstudio has their own distinct pro-audio optimization scripts. My point is that practically you and your system don't benefit from the fact, that you combine kxstudio with ubuntu studio. Thus having that freedom to use pure vanilla ubuntu studio, or use kxstudio on any debian or ubuntu derivative as a base.
In your particular case, you simply need to make sure you successfully update your system to 19.10 (the external repositories should be disabled). After that, you add the KXStudio repositories, but i advice you to use them just as backports/extra repositories. Because ubuntu studio is already tuned for audio performance out of the box, and their ubuntustudio-controls app is something done right.
If Cadence somehow is giving you problems with pulseaudio, check this other topic i made some time ago:
https://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopi ... 27&t=17780

Best regards from me Totalchaos, a linux-audio veteran
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Your advice mirrors my recent happy experiences with 19.10.
I think I would choose fresh installs over updates, since the
update variables outnumber the distro-maintainers by orders
of magnitude. I needed very few configuration edits to suit my needs
using 19.10, most of which were not audio-related anyway,
So it gets a lot of use along with Studio 1337 3.3, for recording/mastering etc.
Cheers

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glowrak guy wrote: ...along with Studio 1337 3.3, for recording/mastering etc.
Are there any free option to interface with this mythical Studio 1337. Like oldstable distribution, or documentation explaining what are the unique tools and settings of Studio 1337. The community connection.
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