KX Studio at the End of Standard Support - what now?

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Re: KX Studio at the End of Standard Support - what now?

Postby mk1967 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:16 am

English Guy wrote:If I installed Librazik is it enough like Debian that I can just use it?

According to my experiences: Yes. It's very user-friendly.

You may install the librazik-apt-non-fr package https://librazik.tuxfamily.org/doc2/comprehension/paquets_librazik#librazik-apt-non-fr. This might help a lot for all other languages than French.

English Guy wrote:Does it use standard Debian repos?

I'm not completely sure but I suppose it uses some additional repos.

Looking at one of my LibraZiK 2 systems I find more than one file:

/etc/apt/sources.list

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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


Then there are some more files:

/etc/apt/sources.list.d/librazik.list

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# Fichier pour l'inclusion du dépôt LZK2-users lors de la construction de l'image live

# LibraZiK2-users
#2"de ce pas"
#2"de ce pas"
#LibraZiK-2studio audio - #2 "de ce pas"
deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/decepas/ LZK-DCP-users main contrib
#2"de ce pas"
#2"de ce pas"
#LibraZiK-2studio audio - #2 "de ce pas"
deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/decepas/ LZK-DCP-users main contrib


/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch.list

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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports.list

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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-security.list

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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-updates.list

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# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


When upgrading the system I always use synaptic because it seems to me that apt-get didn't find all the packages when I tried it. Why...? No idea...

Michael

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Re: KX Studio at the End of Standard Support - what now?

Postby trebmuh » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:08 am

Hi, the LibraZiK main developer here, aiming to answer to a few questions below.


But it's French centric, which can be a problem for those who learned German or Spanish as their foreign language.

Not really. It's not "French centric". It is "French focused", I'm mainly working on a French doc and on the French translation for the software GUI available in LibraZiK.

The software GUI language are like any other software in Debian and pretty much every Linux distribution: it depends on how you position your "locale". Meaning that, as an example, if you position the locale for German and a German translation is available in the software, then you'll get the GUI in German. If a German translation is not available for this software, it'll fall back to the software original language (usually English).

At the side of this, there are a dozen of software in LibraZiK that I had to patch straight into the sources before packaging in order to get a French translated GUI, this being because they don't have a proper translation mechanism cooked in. This is where the "librazik-apt-nonfr" package come into game: it contains those software without the French patch (ie: usually in English) which is what you want to use if you're not francophone.

Summary: don't think that because one of my main focus is on francophone readers, then you'll enforced to get a French GUI. Think more that: it's a usual English (+ others languages) GUI with a bunch of improvements for the French readers. As long as you're using the "librazik-apt-nonfr" and your locale is correctly set up. That's it.

About the doc in French, there are more than 1000 pages of documentation in French. I'm usually using an "easy French" when writing in the hope that any average on-line translator will cope with it. For the few tests I've been doing, it works very well.

Moreover, I know that LibraZiK-2 is used by a bunch of non-francophone people (at the top of my head: Italian, German, American, English) and they are fine with that. In the past, they helped me to check if nothing is enforced in French. As far as I know, there is nothing enforced into French but a few part of claudia-launcher which I'll probably fix when back to my computer in August (see below).



How different is Librazik from standard Debian please?


LibraZiK-2 is a standard Debian Stretch + Stretch backport repository + Stretch security repository + LibraZiK-2 repository. The LibraZiK 2 repository contains a lots of music software that are not packaged in Debian + a lot of music software already packaged in Debian but in a newer version + a RT (real time) and a LL (low latency) kernels + music optimizations stuff + a bunch of other things. You can read a list of packaged software & version here : https://librazik.tuxfamily.org/doc2/paquets. LibraZiK-2 is made with MATE as a desktop environment but should probably work with any other DE. I've never checked that, please let me know if you do try.



If I installed Librazik is it enough like Debian that I can just use it? Does it use standard Debian repos?


Yes, and yes, see above.



I hope that it clarifies what LibraZiK is. FYI, I'll be in a tour for the July month, starting in 2 days, meaning pretty much out of the web and will probably not be able to answer messages here if requested. I'll recheck this thread when I'll be back from the tour.



All that being said, KXstudio is a wonderful project, and I'd recommend you (if you already use a KXstudio distro) to check with Falktx how he's seeing the coming next months. From the discussions I had with him recently, it doesn't seems at all that KXstudio is abandoned. He's just in a break.



Most importantly, have fun and happy musics to you all!
Cheers.
Olivier
Last edited by trebmuh on Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: KX Studio at the End of Standard Support - what now?

Postby English Guy » Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:17 am

mk1967 wrote:
English Guy wrote:If I installed Librazik is it enough like Debian that I can just use it?

According to my experiences: Yes. It's very user-friendly.

You may install the librazik-apt-non-fr package https://librazik.tuxfamily.org/doc2/comprehension/paquets_librazik#librazik-apt-non-fr. This might help a lot for all other languages than French.

English Guy wrote:Does it use standard Debian repos?

I'm not completely sure but I suppose it uses some additional repos.

Looking at one of my LibraZiK 2 systems I find more than one file:

/etc/apt/sources.list

Code: Select all

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


Then there are some more files:

/etc/apt/sources.list.d/librazik.list

Code: Select all

# Fichier pour l'inclusion du dépôt LZK2-users lors de la construction de l'image live

# LibraZiK2-users
#2"de ce pas"
#2"de ce pas"
#LibraZiK-2studio audio - #2 "de ce pas"
deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/decepas/ LZK-DCP-users main contrib
#2"de ce pas"
#2"de ce pas"
#LibraZiK-2studio audio - #2 "de ce pas"
deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/librazik/decepas/ LZK-DCP-users main contrib


/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch.list

Code: Select all

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-backports.list

Code: Select all

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


/etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch-security.list

Code: Select all

# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

#d eb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 9 _Stretch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20171028-18:36]/ stretch contrib main non-free

# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch main 

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free   
deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free 

# stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
# deb http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 
# deb-src http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/debian/ stretch-updates non-free contrib main 


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When upgrading the system I always use synaptic because it seems to me that apt-get didn't find all the packages when I tried it. Why...? No idea...

Michael

Thanks Michael for such a comprehensive reply(sorry my reply is not edited down. I am on my phone and it takes forever!).

I can tell you that apt-get will hold certain packages back unless you use apt-get dist-upgrade. Alternatively use apt instead of apt-get.

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Re: KX Studio at the End of Standard Support - what now?

Postby thetotalchaos » Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:03 pm

English Guy wrote:
thetotalchaos wrote:
English Guy wrote:How different is Librazik from standard Debian please?


As different as KXStudio is, compared to Debian or Ubuntu. You have the applications, the kernel, the tweaks and the documentation, that you need to transform vanilla Debian into professional audio tailored operating system.


I am an experienced Debian and audio user but have forgotten most of my schoolboy French. If I installed Librazik is it enough like Debian that I can just use it? Does it use standard Debian repos? That was the thrust of my original question, sorry for being unclear (I have never used the KXStudio distro, only the repos, so the comparison doesn't help). TIA


You can use only the repos, on a standard Debian stable. And if you add 'librazik-apt-non-fr', it all be in English. The other thing that you should do, is to add a translator addon on your browser (you don't need to do this, if using chromium of chrome), so that you can read the large documentation.

To start the live session in English - when the grub menu opens, before you start the live session, press Tab key and modify the language and the keyboard layout to 'en_US.UTF-8' and 'us' respectively

PS: Salute Trebmuh, and thank you for your great work. Yoiur effort is deeply appriciated
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