New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby zettberlin » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:38 pm

Works perfectly in Carla for me.
The only issue I notice is some scratching noise when operating the curves directly while playing, other contrils work flawless also...

in short: great synth!

As I am about to test Tracktion 6 for Linux I made a little piece with it:

http://lapoc.de/demos/helmedEdit1_0715.mp3

Its helm in Carla output goes to Guitarix and Calf Multichorus, the drums are from Tracktions new step sequencer...

its far from perfect, contains two not-so-clean cuts and is still quite longish but I like, how easy it is, to make something like this using helms arp/stutter and its formidable ways to apply LFOs to arbitrary controls (in this case the mod, filter and stutter).

Thanks a lot for another cool synth for Linux!
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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby akiz » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:58 pm

Where to find linux vst? Carla and Helm are unstable for me in Tracktion (when opening helm gui in carla in saved project, tracktion crashes). Thank

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby tytel » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:26 am

wrl wrote:would be super helpful to have sync options on the LFOs for synchronizing to host tempo and song position, or at the very least synchronizing to gate. the oscillators also alias super easily, you may want to investigate a better interpolator for the wavetables (i looked through the code and couldn't get my head around mopo's routing/processing pipeline, so i'm not really sure what method you're using right now).


Ah yea, I need to sync them LFOs. I'll put that in.

Yea it does alias once the cross mod comes in or if you're modulating a bunch. I need to improve that at some point before the 1.0 release.

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby tytel » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:28 am

akiz wrote:Where to find linux vst? Carla and Helm are unstable for me in Tracktion (when opening helm gui in carla in saved project, tracktion crashes). Thank


I'm not distributing the Linux VST for license reasons as the sdk is incompatible with the GPL. If you put the sdk from the steinberg website in ~/srcs then you can build from source for now. Probably the solution is having a separate VST distribution..

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby tytel » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:38 am

rncbc wrote:
sysrqer wrote:
akiz wrote:the whole synth industry uses EG for envelope generator, even the moog modular back from the mid-60s :)


When I first started messing around with synthesizer I was *very* confused with what EG and ADSR stood for. A lot easier to search their meaning online now-a-days.
Even though it's common to use EG, I tend to avoid acronyms unless the spelled out version is never used (e.g. URL)

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby tytel » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:40 am

zettberlin wrote:in short: great synth!

As I am about to test Tracktion 6 for Linux I made a little piece with it:

http://lapoc.de/demos/helmedEdit1_0715.mp3


Awesome! First song I've heard made with Helm! Thanks so much :D

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby akiz » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:54 am

tytel wrote:
akiz wrote:Where to find linux vst? Carla and Helm are unstable for me in Tracktion (when opening helm gui in carla in saved project, tracktion crashes). Thank


I'm not distributing the Linux VST for license reasons as the sdk is incompatible with the GPL. If you put the sdk from the steinberg website in ~/srcs then you can build from source for now. Probably the solution is having a separate VST distribution..


Does it have to be sdk2.4? Steinberg webpage has just 3.x version right now.


I dont understand one thing. A lot of developers dont make vst plugins because of license reasons, i understand that.
So LV2 is linux main plugin format. So every daw should support it (i use renoise and tracktion and they dont) otherwise it is like having windows daw without vst support and its ridiculous. I was hoping that this VST and LV2 clash will end one day but it is still same :-(.

Huge thank FalkTX for Carla even it is unstable for me in Tracktion when opening Helm GUI.

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby khz » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:26 am

Pls jackd audio/MIDI I/O ;-) && THX 4 coding! \o/
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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby falkTX » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:52 am

akiz wrote:I dont understand one thing. A lot of developers dont make vst plugins because of license reasons, i understand that.
So LV2 is linux main plugin format. So every daw should support it (i use renoise and tracktion and they dont) otherwise it is like having windows daw without vst support and its ridiculous. I was hoping that this VST and LV2 clash will end one day but it is still same :-(.

Not everyone likes LV2 (a completely new, different thing), and being a spec mostly used in Linux means they don't care as much.
VST works on Linux, Mac and Windows *and* (this is the important bit) most plugins out there on Mac/Windows are available as VST.

It's the circular dependency problem all over again.
There aren't many hosts supporting LV2 because there's not many LV2 plugins out there.
There's not many LV2 plugins out there because there's few hosts that support it.

Commercial vendors have no issues with licensing, so using VST for them is ok.

tytel wrote:probably the solution is having a separate VST distribution..

I'm fine with distributing the VST, I'm already doing that for KXStudio anyway.

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby akiz » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:49 pm

Oh. Thanks. I got it wrong like vsti cant be opensource, linux is opensource, so if somebody doesnt support LV2 but VSTI he doesnt support Linux :-). Thank you.

I will wait for VSTi version of helm then.
Personally i dont need LV2 if i can have vst :)

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby akiz » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:14 pm

I dont get it!
Renoise doesnt have LV2 support but i see Helm in VSTi plugins.
I cant see Helm in Tracktion (doesnt have LV2 support neither) and paths are same IMHO.

(but it crashes same as in carla, when i open gui, create patch, close window, use it for a while and wanna reopen window it crashes daw everytime (so i cant open helm gui in saved projects))
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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby sysrqer » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:19 pm

akiz wrote:Oh. Thanks. I got it wrong like vsti cant be opensource, linux is opensource, so if somebody doesnt support LV2 but VSTI he doesnt support Linux :-).

That's not correct at all. There are quite a few companies who support linux but choose to use VST instead of LV2.

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby akiz » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:26 pm

sysrqer wrote:
akiz wrote:Oh. Thanks. I got it wrong like vsti cant be opensource, linux is opensource, so if somebody doesnt support LV2 but VSTI he doesnt support Linux :-).

That's not correct at all. There are quite a few companies who support linux but choose to use VST instead of LV2.


I know ive tried every linux plugin. I just thought that they are against some basic philosophy that a lot of linux developers feel.

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby tytel » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:49 pm

akiz wrote:Does it have to be sdk2.4? Steinberg webpage has just 3.x version right now.


No just the VST3 SDK is fine. There's support within it for building VST 2 plugins.

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Re: New Free Synth - Helm - Now in Beta

Postby tytel » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:51 pm

khz wrote:Pls jackd audio/MIDI I/O ;-) && THX 4 coding! \o/


Going to do this for next release! (If all goes well)


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