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I have watched Dr K many times.

I am getting a bit confused about something, especially when 2 or 3 or even 4 people play at one piano.

Why does it never sound out of tune ?

Is it because they play the same scale ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQtnC2u ... anKavanagh

at 13 min as an example. As far as I can tell, they are not playing the same notes ? :?
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Gps wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:16 pm Why does it never sound out of tune ?
Because they are playing notes that work together ;)
Gps wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:16 pm Is it because they play the same scale ?
I'm assuming you're not a piano player?

When you play with both hands at once you are playing two different things. Usually chords in the left and melody in the right, it's the same thing with these guys except they have more hands.

It's no different to how a band or an orchestra plays together, just in this case the band is sharing a single instrument.
Gps wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:16 pm As far as I can tell, they are not playing the same notes
At times they are almost certainly playing the same notes, but in different octaves.
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Thank you, now it starts to make sense.

I can't play life and am only now starting to understand how playing with two hands works.

When we have 1,2,3,4, its important what happens on the one count. That often is the same key separated by an octave.

I once did an attempt at boogie woogie, and used the notes from a you tube tutorial vid.

https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/boogiewoogie

I gave up for a bit on how to add a third hand or the improvisations they do.

Baby steps forward and your reply is helping me big time.
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Let see if I can make some people smile.

This week I had an epiphany.

I have been listening too much to simple music, Hip Hop, Disco, House....

Most of that music can be played with only one hand, a synth and a drumcomputer. :wink:

Back to being more serious, while listening to an old school hip hop mix, I noticed how many used synthesizers. The mini moog to name one.
I was also shocked I recognized the synthesizer.

Back to the topic, I realized that if one of of the 3 players, on the piano hits a different note but one that is part of the same chord, it still might sound good.

Something to mess with in LMMS. :)

Baby steps, never give up never surrender.

I really need to go back to making music, and take more distance from certain things, I can't change anyway.
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I was for a second in doubt about starting a new topic, but since I was already talking about playing with two hands above, lets
continue here.
Right now looking at : A Whiter Shade Of Pale. :shock:

The left hand is most of the time playing a different note, then the right hand.

I might have to study this in LMMS, I should be able to find a midi file, then use the mark current scale and put in some chords.

I suspect the left and right hand notes belonging to a chord.

Another shock was that this track seems to be in C mayor. Mayor :shock:

There goes that theory about things in the mayor scale sounding happy. :lol:

( Here comes that feeling again, I should stick to simple music :roll: )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l66cEJyD5tg

Going off topic:
Did you guys know there is a version longer then the one brought out on vinyl?
Here are the lyrics to proof it.

The lyrics remind me of something a friend of mine says about these types of lyrics.
To understand them, you need to take the same drugs as the guy who wrote it. :lol:

Not on Vinyl, and no were online either, and I have been searching. :(
She said, 'I'm home on shore leave,'
though in truth we were at sea
so I took her by the looking glass
and forced her to agree
saying, 'You must be the mermaid
who took Neptune for a ride.'
But she smiled at me so sadly
that my anger straightway died

If music be the food of love
then laughter is its queen
and likewise if behind is in front
then dirt in truth is clean
My mouth by then like cardboard
seemed to slip straight through my head
So we crash-dived straightway quickly
and attacked the ocean bed
Source:
https://www.songteksten.nl/songteksten/ ... f-pale.htm
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Huge step forward for me. :D

Messing around in LMMS, with C mayor scale and the notes from a mayor chord.

My ears were happy, although I had some unexpected results.

Now I can break away from some "cheat" I learned my self.

Because when I uploaded my first track, people asked if I was tone def, I had to use the scale tool for months to be in tune.

I also did not dare to have my melody start at a different root note, as the bass-line.

Watching a synthesia vid of wider shade of pale, made me start LMMS.

Then made lets call it a bass line, which did not start at C, like the melody.
I was expecting a loud protest from my ears and a big twitch but, nothing.

Going out side of the chord notes but still in scale even builds tension. :shock:

Feel free to laugh about this, n00b struggle, but I am happy.

Never surrender never give up.

Now lets see if I can put into practice (a track) with all my new knowledge.
I also had an aha erlebnis on how techno and jean michel jarre are related, and something Vangelis has said.

His way of making music (Vangelis) was opening the gates of hell.

He did not mention techno specific, but I suddenly understood what he mend.
I hope he wont hate me for liking some Ital disco tracks. :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8Kq3Em0ZDE
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Not worth a new topic but I figured out triplets, and how to do those in LMMS.

I had tried before, but did not understand it all.

Then it came to me those triplets need a context, so we notice its different from 1,2,3,4.
I made an interesting drum part, with a mix of 1/4 and 1/3, piano roll quantization.

Although I do not know, what music track it reminded me of, it instantly sounded familiar.


I often think of what somebody who is not longer with us said to me. (LMMS forum)
It was in the time I still struggled to be in key.

Welcome to your never ending journey into music. :)

Lately I am diving into drum patterns. Mostly to get away from the only drum pattern I understand, boom clap like in (all?) EDM and disco.

Today looked at a midi file and did some work on, are my, are friends electric, cover.
Probably never gonna finish it, its one of the things I just started to learn from.
Not 4 to the floor :P

Maybe a tip. MiniMoog VA vst, big drift preset, instant, Are friends electric sound.

(Triple oc, fat preset is also very close. Triple oc in LMMS can often do great minimoog sounds. )
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