key of G# major?
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key of G# major?
2 jam tracks:
Ab major: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGwoMBPhLU
G# major: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hFi65uYg8
same piece, same chords, NOT the same video
I'm a little confused, especially since there is no G# major key
what's the point or the difference?
Ab major: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGwoMBPhLU
G# major: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0hFi65uYg8
same piece, same chords, NOT the same video
I'm a little confused, especially since there is no G# major key
what's the point or the difference?
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Re: key of G# major?
In theory there could be -- it's just a bit bonkers to use it. G# has 8 sharps (all the notes sharp with one of them being a double sharp). Ab has four flats, which is a bit easier, don't you think?D-Tuned wrote:I'm a little confused, especially since there is no G# major key
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Re: key of G# major?
I suspect they added them in both variations just so people who search for G# major will also get search results... but indeed I don't suspect there will be many .
Perhaps they have some automatic transposition going on that makes it easy to upload the track in different keys?
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Re: key of G# major?
I tend to the same interpretation as @raboof gave you
As a complement for any doubt about the 30 actually existing keys you can see that spurious live conf'' by Victor Wooten, it's short, precise and quite funny don't hesitate
https://youtu.be/E3vYVGMgZYY
As a complement for any doubt about the 30 actually existing keys you can see that spurious live conf'' by Victor Wooten, it's short, precise and quite funny don't hesitate
https://youtu.be/E3vYVGMgZYY
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Re: key of G# major?
I'd bet that's more confusing than helping since it's vague and wrong while approximate in either field But I will never start a war on this as I know or at least used to be able to live that any step might some time find the actual stairway
Maybe should we tag these two posts as off-topic now
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Re: key of G# major?
If it confusing he should just ignore me, but I do not understand why you say it is not right.
I watched the vid posted by Loki Harfagr, after I had commented, and that dude says about the same thing at one point.
I watched the vid posted by Loki Harfagr, after I had commented, and that dude says about the same thing at one point.
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Re: key of G# major?
I try to be practical, is a key based on a physical note of a single specific frequency or on one of possibly many ways to represent that note? G# is the same note a Ab. When I posted the question, strictly as a student breaking out in pimples trying to make head out of tails, I was really expecting responses like 'that creep should get himself a tuning fork'. But no (and with this I don't mean to characterize YOUR response), what I get is no end of bleeding-edge-theory-A beating the royal crap out of bleeding-edge-theory-B ...or trying tomerlyn wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:36 pmIn theory there could be -- it's just a bit bonkers to use it. G# has 8 sharps (all the notes sharp with one of them being a double sharp). Ab has four flats, which is a bit easier, don't you think?D-Tuned wrote:I'm a little confused, especially since there is no G# major key
I've made up my mind: there is NO G# major, end of story! There are NO 8 accidentals at the bottom of MY 5ths circle diagram
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Re: key of G# major?
Quite good conclusion
@Gps, it is correct that Wootens details that some of the people answering to him are mixing up scales, modes with keys
To sum up his answer in a different systematic order, there are (if there are no typos) :
7 majors keys using sharps (#) G D A E B F# C#
7 minors keys using sharps (#) the relatives of the above
7 majors keys using flats (b) F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Cb
7 minors keys using flats (b) the relatives of the above
1 major key without any accidental (C)
1 minor key without any accidental (Am, the relative of the above)
then, anyone especially a program or a youtube overposter still can abuse the term and decide to call Ab major G# major and then has to abuse the use of superfluous double-accidental but that might be considered as a bug or a choice
@Gps, it is correct that Wootens details that some of the people answering to him are mixing up scales, modes with keys
To sum up his answer in a different systematic order, there are (if there are no typos) :
7 majors keys using sharps (#) G D A E B F# C#
7 minors keys using sharps (#) the relatives of the above
7 majors keys using flats (b) F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Cb
7 minors keys using flats (b) the relatives of the above
1 major key without any accidental (C)
1 minor key without any accidental (Am, the relative of the above)
then, anyone especially a program or a youtube overposter still can abuse the term and decide to call Ab major G# major and then has to abuse the use of superfluous double-accidental but that might be considered as a bug or a choice
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Re: key of G# major?
I see. Well, you stick to your diagram. No offence, but this is not bleeding edge theory. This is very, very basic theory.D-Tuned wrote:But no (and with this I don't mean to characterize YOUR response), what I get is no end of bleeding-edge-theory-A beating the royal crap out of bleeding-edge-theory-B ...or trying to
I've made up my mind: there is NO G# major, end of story! There are NO 8 accidentals at the bottom of MY 5ths circle diagram
It would conceivably be possible to end up in G# major if a piece started in C#, then changed key. It would require less accidentals to change key to G# than Ab from C#.
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Re: key of G# major?
Well it might be just me, but calling a key on a piano major or minor confuses the heck out of me.@Gps, it is correct that Wootens details that some of the people answering to him are mixing up scales, modes with keys
To sum up his answer in a different systematic order, there are (if there are no typos) :
7 majors keys using sharps (#) G D A E B F# C#
7 minors keys using sharps (#) the relatives of the above
7 majors keys using flats (b) F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Cb
7 minors keys using flats (b) the relatives of the above
1 major key without any accidental (C)
1 minor key without any accidental (Am, the relative of the above)
then, anyone especially a program or a youtube overposter still can abuse the term and decide to call Ab major G# major and then has to abuse the use of superfluous double-accidental but that might be considered as a bug or a choice
I had that happen to me recently, when watching a you tube vid, and he said to play an A major.
I was 10 min in total confusing staring at the piano roll in LMMS, and then decided to ignore the major part and inserted an A.
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Re: key of G# major?
Aaaah now I understand what you mean. The word 'key' unfortunately has multiple meanings. Indeed a 'key on a keyboard or piano' is not major or minor. The 'key a piece is set in' is, though, definitely is - in that context is roughly means 'scale' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_(music) .
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Re: key of G# major?
it's a different video, different colors, background and all, i don't think it was automation. Doing a u-tube search for 'jam G sharp major' does turn up a few others.raboof wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:55 pm I suspect they added them in both variations just so people who search for G# major will also get search results... but indeed I don't suspect there will be many .
Perhaps they have some automatic transposition going on that makes it easy to upload the track in different keys?
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Re: key of G# major?
Guitarists tend to like sharps, saxophonists tend to like flats. Jazzers like flats, rockers like sharps. Old school jazzers think E is a weird key the same way rockers think Bb is weird. "Why not make it A and then I get all those open strings?" At a gig it's good to play in a variety of keys, rather than always playing in keys that are friendly to the instrument in question.
It's a question of spelling. What's the right spelling? Color or colour? It depends on where you are and the same is true of spelling chords and scales.
The circle of fifths will get you pretty far and it is worth noting that the (number of flats to notate a key) + (number of sharps to notate a key) = 12
Take F# -- 6 sharps which is enharmonically (that's the technical term) equivalent to Gb -- 6 flats.
Or Ab -- 4 flats, G# -- 8 sharps.
Now you can take this to a ridiculous extreme with C -- 0 sharps = B# -- 12 sharps = Dbb = 12 flats
Once you know that you can forget about it and apply the rule instead of music theory seeming like an endless amount of stuff you have to memorise.
It's a question of spelling. What's the right spelling? Color or colour? It depends on where you are and the same is true of spelling chords and scales.
The circle of fifths will get you pretty far and it is worth noting that the (number of flats to notate a key) + (number of sharps to notate a key) = 12
Take F# -- 6 sharps which is enharmonically (that's the technical term) equivalent to Gb -- 6 flats.
Or Ab -- 4 flats, G# -- 8 sharps.
Now you can take this to a ridiculous extreme with C -- 0 sharps = B# -- 12 sharps = Dbb = 12 flats
Once you know that you can forget about it and apply the rule instead of music theory seeming like an endless amount of stuff you have to memorise.
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Re: key of G# major?
Lol, I am starting to dislike the English languageraboof wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:14 pmAaaah now I understand what you mean. The word 'key' unfortunately has multiple meanings. Indeed a 'key on a keyboard or piano' is not major or minor. The 'key a piece is set in' is, though, definitely is - in that context is roughly means 'scale' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_(music) .
Something about free software. In my native language, there are two words for this free. One when you don't have to pay anything, and one were your free to change and share it.
But now I do understand why my reply got marked as incorrect. We were not talking about he same key.