Getting a big deep kick drum sound

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Re: Getting a big deep kick drum sound

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Hi,

Depending on the song I use a combo of the ACM-2SA (or it's linuxDSP predecessor) and Calf Bass Enhancer.. The ACM does very nice things at 20-30Hz and I find the Bass Enhancer has a real sweet spot around 80-100hz but you need to listen while tweaking to find the magic number where the low harmonic comes alive... To get the ideal sound I find they both need to be used together.. whether that is proper or not or committing some sort of horrible nyquist sin remains to be seen..
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Metric Halo have a nice free (!) subharmonic synthesiser called Thump2 - https://mhsecure.com/metric_halo/produc ... thump.html
It has 2 oscillators and amplitude followers for envelope and pitch.
It's Mac/Win with a VST version but I ran it with LinVST successfully.
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Re: Getting a big deep kick drum sound

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Not sure if it fits your kick, but worth to look: https://github.com/jatinchowdhury18/DrumFixer
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Kott wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:27 pm Not sure if it fits your kick, but worth to look: https://github.com/jatinchowdhury18/DrumFixer
I'm curious to try this but not sure how. It seems to only have Win and Mac builds (but may be usable with Yabridge or LinVST?), and the vst3 version doesn't have the standard vst3 directory tree as all other vst3 plugins I have.
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sunrat wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:42 pm
Kott wrote: Mon Sep 19, 2022 10:27 pm Not sure if it fits your kick, but worth to look: https://github.com/jatinchowdhury18/DrumFixer
I'm curious to try this but not sure how. It seems to only have Win and Mac builds (but may be usable with Yabridge or LinVST?), and the vst3 version doesn't have the standard vst3 directory tree as all other vst3 plugins I have.
It's opensource and builds for Linux. Unfortunately it's quite old, so you have to use JUCE 5.4.7 to build it.
Here is the rpm builds, standalone/lv2/vst https://build.opensuse.org/package/show ... /DrumFixer
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Thanks @Kott . Put that one in the too-hard basket. Not up to building, and I tried converting the binary https://download.opensuse.org/repositor ... x86_64.rpm to .deb with alien but no luck. The .deb installed DrumFixer to /usr/bin/ in Debian but that's not the right way for VST3 files. The only VST3s I have were supplied in the correct directory tree and I just copied them to ~/.vst3 where they usually Just Work™. :D
I don't actually need it because all my drum tracks are perfect :mrgreen: but was curious.
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Re: Getting a big deep kick drum sound

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With only a spectrogram and an EQ, you can do what DrumFixed does.
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Michael Willis wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:11 am With only a spectrogram and an EQ, you can do what DrumFixed does.
I usually do it with ears and EQ. :wink: Or cheat a bit with Harrison XT-DC Drum Character plugin.
The description of DrumFixer is fairly sparse, but it gave me the impression it may do dynamic EQ or spectral compression. I have other plugins for those tasks anyway.
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sunrat wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:44 am Thanks @Kott . Put that one in the too-hard basket. Not up to building, and I tried converting the binary https://download.opensuse.org/repositor ... x86_64.rpm to .deb with alien but no luck. The .deb installed DrumFixer to /usr/bin/ in Debian but that's not the right way for VST3 files. The only VST3s I have were supplied in the correct directory tree and I just copied them to ~/.vst3 where they usually Just Work™. :D
I don't actually need it because all my drum tracks are perfect :mrgreen: but was curious.
You tried to use standalone binary as plugin, that's why it's in /usr/bin
VST is in https://software.opensuse.org/download/ ... 3Aproaudio
or LV2 https://software.opensuse.org/download/ ... 3Aproaudio

no need to convert, just extract plugin to your plugins dir
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Kott wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 3:39 amYou tried to use standalone binary as plugin, that's why it's in /usr/bin
VST is in https://software.opensuse.org/download/ ... 3Aproaudio
or LV2 https://software.opensuse.org/download/ ... 3Aproaudio

no need to convert, just extract plugin to your plugins dir
I knew the file in /usr/bin/ wasn't a plugin. I copied the DrumFixer.so to ~/.vst but turns out glibc in Debian Bullseye is too old. It requires 2.35 but I have 2.31.
Absolutely giving up for now.
Thanks for your help anyway. I'm certain I learned something. :)
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sunrat wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:16 am I copied the DrumFixer.so to ~/.vst but turns out glibc in Debian Bullseye is too old. It requires 2.35 but I have 2.31.
Absolutely giving up for now.
Thanks for your help anyway. I'm certain I learned something. :)
Grap Leap 15.3 version, it's a glibc-2.31
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Kott wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 4:25 amGrap Leap 15.3 version, it's a glibc-2.31
Cool, that loads and shows a spectrum after Listen. Will have to get back to it later.
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artix_linux_user wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:00 am "make me happy" preset ... bridge over troubled water.
Now I want to develop a plugin that has a single button "make me happy" that adjusts EQ so that your music matches the frequency response of a Simon and Garfunkel album.
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Re: Getting a big deep kick drum sound

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Maybe a stupid question, but have you tried layering kicks?

That's how in most EDM they get a fat kick. Once watched an house tutorial. (point blank music school)

First 30 min or so are only about the kick drum. Some have the tail of one kick added to another kick, and so on.

Maybe layer it with a bass sound ?
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Re: Getting a big deep kick drum sound

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Michael Willis wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:11 pm
artix_linux_user wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:00 am "make me happy" preset ... bridge over troubled water.
Now I want to develop a plugin that has a single button "make me happy" that adjusts EQ so that your music matches the frequency response of a Simon and Garfunkel album.
https://github.com/brummer10/MelMatchEQ.lv2
I think you need to press 2 buttons and slide a slider though. :D
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