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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby wolftune » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:33 pm

I met the head of phpBB at OSCON a couple months ago, and he seemed aweomse and made me feel good about phpBB as a project still.

Furthermore, he supported all my ideas about better moderation / conflict-resolution / staying-on-topic and will build out suggestions when I get around to formulating them as clear proposals.

So, I support STAYING with phpBB, just keep the forum updated to latest version of it!
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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby Michael Willis » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:57 pm

raboof wrote:Personally, I use search.php?search_id=newposts a lot.

Thanks, that helps (although admittedly that feature isn't exactly very discoverable).

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby wolftune » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:47 am

falkTX wrote:Personal experience here:
I have used discourse (as user on their a couple of forums), and I just dont like how it works. Using it feels quite subpar compared to what we have here.
The fact that it relies on javascript so much is also a PITA


Discourse is superior to most other Javascript-heavy options and can be set up in ways that work quite well. But it is *very* heavy compared to phpBB. The *reliance* on JavaScript is obnoxious.

After seeing how phpBB as a project is still active and well-supported, I really think leave well-enough alone. We can anticipate future updates to phpBB to keep it usable etc.
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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby Luc » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:41 am

Michael Willis wrote:
raboof wrote:Personally, I use search.php?search_id=newposts a lot.

Thanks, that helps (although admittedly that feature isn't exactly very discoverable).

I prefer this one:
search.php?search_id=active_topics

These and others are found in the "Quick links" drawer on the top left corner of every page. Quite discoverable IMO. :wink:

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby CrocoDuck » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:13 pm

From the point of view of a user, I find discourse forums OK. For example, I am quite fond of Julia discourse forums: https://discourse.julialang.org/. I think it is very easy to navigate and get into the sections of your interest.

Still, I don't exactly see a reason to switch over. I think this works just fine overall.
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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby Luc » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:42 pm

CrocoDuck wrote:From the point of view of a user, I find discourse forums OK. For example, I am quite fond of Julia discourse forums: https://discourse.julialang.org/. I think it is very easy to navigate and get into the sections of your interest.
Still, I don't exactly see a reason to switch over. I think this works just fine overall.

Ah, so that is Discourse? Thanks, I had no idea what it was like.
I hate it.

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby CrocoDuck » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:42 pm

Luc wrote:I hate it.


Yeah, I sort of like it, but I don't entirely know why. Just like the movie Prometheus. There is a ton of wasted white space in every page (example: https://discourse.julialang.org/t/plots ... vior/14786). I think that what I like best is this sort of thematic organization: https://discourse.julialang.org/c/domain

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby 42low » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:16 pm

Don't like it either. Very unclear and messy layout compared to phpbb (and almost all other common forums).

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby Michael Willis » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:23 pm

Incidentally, Ardour forum was just migrated to Discourse: https://discourse.ardour.org/

I don't really have a strong opinion either way, but I found it interesting that they made this change right after our conversation here.

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby Lyberta » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:39 am

Michael Willis wrote:Incidentally, Ardour forum was just migrated to Discourse: https://discourse.ardour.org/

I don't really have a strong opinion either way, but I found it interesting that they made this change right after our conversation here.


White screen on my default browser settings. Oh, right, needs JS. I guess I'm late to the party.. or forgot.

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby Markus » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:33 pm

Michael Willis wrote:Incidentally, Ardour forum was just migrated to Discourse: https://discourse.ardour.org/


Looks like a competition about how to maximize white space in the most stupid way.

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Re: transition everything to Discourse

Postby milk » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:28 pm

Michael Willis wrote:Could you share more details about what changed your opinion?


(i was on the fence before, i'm 80% for it now.)

mostly because falktx posted several months ago in #lad [at least] about their graphing of mailing list and IRC postings whilst stating a concern about these metrics pointing toward an apparent tailing off of engagement over the past few years.

in the video, Greg, who works for Foreman as Community Manager, talks about how they analysed mailing list, IRC and bug tracking posting data and saw there was an apparent issue with a tailing off of engagement.

Greg's hypothesis was that the channel fragmentation, as well as limited tooling/features (compared to mailing lists or, as I would subjectively interpret it in our context, forum software that, tbf, feels turn-of-the-century), was a factor in putting off newcomers, and further, that this was causing an echo chamber effect. after a move to Discourse, the data started to look favourable, with further intersubjective benefits from the addition of abilities such as liking of individual posts, [multi-]tagging of posts, marking as solved, etc. (there being a rather large ecosystem of official Discoruse plugins)

whitespace is a CSS issue. Discourse indeed does rely on JavaScript. what specific pain points would that cause?
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