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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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Gps wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 5:50 pm https://vladgsound.wordpress.com/2011/1 ... n-plugins/

Is that the right Sox ?
Looks like that's some page talking about it form a dev POV so you may use it through a plugin you'd make but yes the one they're talking about is the one, that good swissknife tool (caution, some of its blades are difficult to deploy and hard to forget) :D
Besides, since it is usually considered as almost a part of "the toolbox" it is most probably already installed or at least availble from your distro :)
Here, in Arch, includig direct refs:

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 pamac info sox
Name                  : sox
Version               : 14.4.2-7
Description           : The Swiss Army knife of sound processing tools
URL                   : http://sox.sourceforge.net/
Licenses              : GPL2 LGPL2.1
Repository            : community
Installed Size        : 1.3 MB
Depends On            : libltdl file libsndfile libpng lame opencore-amr gsm
Optional Dependencies : libao: for ao plugin [Installed]
                        libmad: for mp3 plugin [Installed]
                        libid3tag: for mp3 plugin [Installed]
                        wavpack: for wavpack plugin [Installed]
                        libpulse: for pulse plugin [Installed]
                        opusfile: for opus plugin [Installed]
                        twolame: for mp3 plugin [Installed]
Make Dependencies     : libao libmad libid3tag wavpack libpulse opusfile twolame
Check Dependencies    : time
Packager              : David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>
Build Date            : 19/08/2020
Install Date          : 02/10/2020
Install Reason        : Explicitly installed
Signatures            : Yes
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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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Lol, it seems your right. I dove into yast, and found:

libsoxr0 - The SoX Resampler library (openSUSE tumbleweed)

Will do some reading to see if this is all I need. :)

Edit I also found: Sox, and installed that.
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I am reading up on Sox, but don't see how I could use it in lmms or any DAW ?

This helped though.
https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/po ... part-i-sox

It does not have a gui.
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Gps wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 6:19 pm I am reading up on Sox, but don't see how I could use it in lmms or any DAW ?

This helped though.
https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/po ... part-i-sox

It does not have a gui.
Ah well, no, that's exctly the point it does NOT have a GUI :D
I'm sorry if my anteprevious post confused you into thinking otherwise but I specifically just patched a Q&D PoC of what you were after thus only surmising since it was such an easy step in the base engine there should be zillion plugins including it.
Meanwhile you posted a link from someone chatting aboiut how to integrate some SoX library in you developments and merely indicated that it could be (or not, didn't read further on since I'm now fully retired off the dev side) an indication that you would be able to easily integrate some functions from the SoX libs in any plugin you'd develop or patch, nothing more than that :)
Sorry if it was confusing, globbish not being my native language nor are english or yankish.

Too short couldn't sleep and didn't slip: Most every synth include some sort of controlled pitchbending or akin and the only peculiarity of portamento is that it needs at least note continuity at best superposition since it was born in the world of monotimbraphonic oscillators which implied "Last Keyed Now Playing".
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Loki Harfagr wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 6:49 pm
Ah well, no, that's exctly the point it does NOT have a GUI :D
I'm sorry if my anteprevious post confused you into thinking otherwise but I specifically just patched a Q&D PoC of what you were after thus only surmising since it was such an easy step in the base engine there should be zillion plugins including it.

Too short couldn't sleep and didn't slip: Most every synth include some sort of controlled pitchbending or akin and the only peculiarity of portamento is that it needs at least note continuity at best superposition since it was born in the world of monotimbraphonic oscillators which implied "Last Keyed Now Playing".
When you say Q&D poc, you mean this ?

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 play -n -c1 synth tri E6   tri E5 sin E4 bend .0,500,2.1 trim 0 5 gain -9

Controlled pitchbending makes sense. It must be something like that. :)
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Gps wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:32 pm
Loki Harfagr wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 6:49 pm
Ah well, no, that's exctly the point it does NOT have a GUI :D
I'm sorry if my anteprevious post confused you into thinking otherwise but I specifically just patched a Q&D PoC of what you were after thus only surmising since it was such an easy step in the base engine there should be zillion plugins including it.
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When you say Q&D poc, you mean this ?

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 play -n -c1 synth tri E6   tri E5 sin E4 bend .0,500,2.1 trim 0 5 gain -9

Controlled pitchbending makes sense. It must be something like that. :)
Yep, that's the Q&D PoC, "play" is an alias of SoX, so if you have SoX installed you can type that example line in a terminal (or console re. to your UI/DE) and ear yourself that's the base stuff :) Then find how to do/mimic it in which plugin or DAW you prefer :D
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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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Thank you, now were on the same page again.

I feel I need to just start with the mini-moog, turn about all dials, and see if If an get something similar.

If that fails try synth1. Both synth I can fully automate in LMMS.

Already had a small try on both.

I just tried sox, but I don't think that is it. That slide I alread yahve , and leads into the part/effect I am after. :)

Automated pitch control in LMMS, You need to do some counting and trying though, to get the right number of semitones.
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I am gonna study, Synth1, internal sound bank Synth1 Brastring.

That already sounds at least to me allot like what is happening in fade to grey and what I am after.

Although it seems to bend up instead of down, so its the wrong way at the moment.

Were is that minus sign ? :P
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Let me start with a conclusion. I do not understand synthesizers as well as I thought.

That does not change that this synth1 preset is damn close with a tiny messing from my site.

https://soundcloud.com/user586365033/fade-to-greytest

Key length still stands, but when I listen to this part and the original, I do not yet have all the notes right yet.
I think I start in key, but then the shit hits the fan. :lol:

Need to study synth1 more, because at the moment I totally do not understand on how to make this sound.
Why is there a swell for example.
I am not afraid to turn dails, so with some more trying, I hope I can figure this out.

One thing I tried, changing the high pass for a low pass, did not do what I was hoping. :)

Part of me, the lazy part, is thinking of calling it a day and use this sound. :mrgreen:
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Gps wrote: Mon May 24, 2021 3:23 pmHe then did some magic in cubase with the mouse , and it suddenly it sounded as a Live drummer.
I want that in LMMS :P
That's called Groove Quantize
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Thank you, now I at least know what it is called. :D
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I got a few answers on the KVR forum.

For those interested:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 2&t=565649

I at least fully understand the answers I got there. And to pick one thing from it, notes overlapping so there is no portamento between those notes. Interesting.

Although the answer on KVR is not really different, from the answers I got here, it does help me, too hear the same thing from multiple people.

I need to do more messing around with synthesizers, to fully graps this though. :D
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Gps wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:16 pm I got a few answers on the KVR forum.

For those interested:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... 2&t=565649

I at least fully understand the answers I got there. And to pick one thing from it, notes overlapping so there is no portamento between those notes. Interesting.
On this last point, you seem to have cross-interpretated what was said by Bert, the overlapping notes don't affect the portamento but the "wauwau" (some sort of modulation which is the last important part of the sound you're missing in your example on Soundcloud since you're very close to the correct timbre basis but the mods ;)).
And, as for the portaento, I guess since it was a Poly and not a single that was used either ther was some afteredit (track punch-in) or they simply stared on single note mode at least for the first two notes (these ones wich use the portamento :) ) I hope that's all clear and neat now, you're very close to the edge of the complete sound you're chasing :) Hurray!
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Thank you, your reply does help.

I am 99% sure, there has been some after edit.
Because I have listened to the original so much, I start to notice more and more stuff.

When that woman speaks French, I am 99% sure the speaking is side chained to the bassline.
(or they just lowered the volume of the bass line)

That bassline does some fade out and fade in through out the entire track although it never fades out totally.

If I want to copy that it should be easy, just lower the volume a bit on some parts.

I am not sure though, if I should borrow some of the spoken and singing part, or just go like its now, 100% instrumental.
Audacity probably can do it.

I love my base line, the foxymada part less, that needs improving.
There is a good change I am totally misspelling this, I already tried to google it but could not find an organ with that name.
Its also possible its the polymoog. In the vid Chris clicks on a preset in protools.

5m50 in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmF_jeokUX8
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Gps wrote: Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:53 pm
I love my base line, the foxymada part less, that needs improving.
There is a good change I am totally misspelling this
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5m50 in:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmF_jeokUX8
I'd think he says "classic Vox Humana", which refers to one of the various registers of pipe organs, supposedly a preset in the Poly?
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