Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

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Xeny
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Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby Xeny » Sun Feb 22, 2015 4:03 am

Hi, I want to produce microtonal music,19edo in particular. I can get zynaddsubFX to make 19edo sound using midi input, but editing the input is difficult since most sequencers assume 12edo, so using their piano roll is confusing.

I wish to be able to edit the look of the piano roll, changing the color of the notes so the naturals are white, and sharps and flats some different color, or being able to put custom labels on each notes (C, C#, Db, D, D#, Eb, ...)

The only program I heard of that can to this is Reaper, but it isn't free or or available on linux.

Here's a reference of what a 19edo keyboard may look like:
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Is there any programs sequencers that can do this? Also, I'm open to any other suggestions related to this topic.

p.s. It would be great if the program supported Jack-Midi and Jack Transport.

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Re: Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby glowrak guy » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:36 am

You might try the linux Bitwig demo, rumour has it, that the midi editing is really good. 8)
The Jackass vst plugin from falkTX might let you run Yoshimi LV2 in bitwig.
Alsa virmidi might even let you connect direct zyn or yoshimi inside bitwig.
The internal routing options in the linux version have greatly improved since release.
Cheers

StudioDave
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Re: Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby StudioDave » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:05 pm

Xeny wrote:Hi, I want to produce microtonal music,19edo in particular. I can get zynaddsubFX to make 19edo sound using midi input, but editing the input is difficult since most sequencers assume 12edo, so using their piano roll is confusing.

I wish to be able to edit the look of the piano roll, changing the color of the notes so the naturals are white, and sharps and flats some different color, or being able to put custom labels on each notes (C, C#, Db, D, D#, Eb, ...)

The only program I heard of that can to this is Reaper, but it isn't free or or available on linux.

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Is there any programs sequencers that can do this? Also, I'm open to any other suggestions related to this topic.

p.s. It would be great if the program supported Jack-Midi and Jack Transport.


Bitwig Studio

http://www.bitwig.com/

Steven Yi's blue for Csound

http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

From the blue description:

"Microtonal support using scales defined in the Scala scale format, including a microtonal PianoRoll, Tracker, NoteProcessors, and more."

Btw, Reaper runs well under Wine.

Best,

dp

glowrak guy
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Re: Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby glowrak guy » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:42 am

Xeny wrote:The only program I heard of that can to this is Reaper, but it isn't free or or available on linux.

Reaper is free to test without limits for 60 days, and the semi-pro license is $60,
so you could test/experiment while saving up the $60. Solid like granite in
a good wine setup 8)
And there is a win vst version of zynaddsubfx available.

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Re: Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby StudioDave » Tue Feb 24, 2015 2:19 pm

Xeny wrote:... I'm open to any other suggestions related to this topic.


Pure Data

http://puredata.info/

SuperCollider3

http://supercollider.github.io/

Csound

http://csound.github.io/

CM/GRACE

http://sourceforge.net/projects/commonmusic/

AthenaCL

http://www.flexatone.org/athena.html

There are other Csound-based environments to recommend: CsoundAC, CsoundQT, Winsound, AVSynthesis, etc.

Best,

dp

emarsk
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Re: Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby emarsk » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:49 pm

ZynAddSubFX can use microtonal scales.
You can define them in the "Scales" (!) window, or import them from .scl or .kbm files.
Please, avoid some common spelling errors:
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling

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Re: Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby gerg » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:54 pm

glowrak guy wrote:You might try the linux Bitwig demo, rumour has it, that the midi editing is really good. 8)


Thank you. I've been looking for MIDI editing that is "really good" on Linux for some time now...

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Re: Editable piano roll for easier microtonal midi?

Postby gerg » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:34 pm

It is really good. I was suffiently impressed with the demo to purchase the full version, in fact.

It is the ONLY DAW on Linux that isn't just another brainless drum loop mixer. It actually has provision for expression and phrasing, a good tool for the thoughtful musician.

It's the closest thing to CuBASE (which I miss) that I've seen on Linux.

Now if I could just find a good orchestral setup...

BTW the microtonal feature gives you everything you want. Think of pitchbend but with precise control for precision trills on flutes, French horn pitch bends, etc...


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