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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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Thats probalby it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_humana

The Vox humana (Latin for "human voice"; also "voz humana" in Spanish and Portuguese, "voix humaine" in French and "voce umana" in Italian, although "voce umana" is also a term for a celeste stop, q.v.) is a short-resonator reed stop on the pipe organ, so named because of its supposed resemblance to the human voice.[1]

I think its a preset on the polymoog, but I am not sure on that.

First preset he uses already seems to go into fade to grey area. 50sec in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ijprswhOA

Modulation... He says modulation. :P

Part two kinda proofs its the polymoog, the guy even says vox humana when he using a extra box plugged into the polymoog.

4m10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLA7JRsYfuc&t=252s
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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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More proof its the polymoog.

2m50.
Preset number 7, Vox Humada, but something else caught my eye. Watch those foot pedals. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAGwD4urjq8
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After a short break, I am working on the cover again.

I had the bassline played by 3 zasfx, and I deleted one.
Also removed E.Q. plugins from these.

The strings were done by 4 synths, and I deleted one of those too. (might delete more)

This already helped making my cover sounding a bit more clear, lessmuddy.


I will probably start over with the mixing, and see if I can get a sound that make me happy for the vox humamana part.

One big question for me, is to use or not to use the polymoog VST.

I think it suffers from something allot of VST have. It sounds good or good enough, for some notes , but not so much if you go higher or lower in the scale.

Now in some part this vst totally gets on my nerves instead of giving me the fade to grey feel.
Its possible I am just to high in the scale anyway compared to the original.

Gonna cut a part from the mp3 I have, then in lmms see how well I can sync this part.

Then I won't have to start the mp3 from the start each time.

Lmms can play a soundfile, but you can't scroll in it.

Sometimes wonder if I should get a better daw, from watching vids of people with cubase and albeton, I know some daw can sync sound files.

I do not wanna go to windows though for music production.

Maybe I should give ardour another change, although I know I will miss the Fruity loops / LMMS screen layout.

From this forum I know reaper is an option, so is bitwig, if we go for paid (closed) software.

Reaper on my os, opensuse tumbleweed:
https://www.ernstrenner.com/best-daw-fo ... umbleweed/

Bitwig already present me with a challenge, because for Linux they offer a .deb file.

My Linux does not do deb. its not Debian based. I could try Alien.

On the other hand I would prefer to stay with LMMS. That it can't record is for my use case totally not relevant.
I can't really play life nor sing in tune. LMMS can record the midi data from my keystation mini 32, which is enough for me.

LMMS could use more and better plug-ins though. Looking forward to version 1.3

Some of it:
Adds support for MIDI CC events inside LMMS (#5581, #5824)
Lv2: Fix overflow and enum visualization (#5811)
Fix too small height of the carla instrument window (#5829)
Fix compile error with GCC 6 (#5831)
Implement Lv2 Options (#5761)
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Found some more problems.

Looked at some midi files because I had this nagging feeling, I was doing something wrong.

It's the progression of the strings, I have them often do as the bassline.

Further more I wonder If I mixed up tracks. :lol:

Some cleaning up and sorting out to do.
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I am a bit stuck right now.

Wondering if I should watch more Chord progression tutorials and or read more on chords, or maybe just stop thinking about it, and do what the midi file does.

This all started because somebody on the LMMS forum also covered fade to grey, trying to help me, and although my bassline is better, his track sounds much more like the original.

I have finally figured out why. The chord progression of the strings in my cover is why.

The best solution might to listen to the original, and make notes with time stamps.

The problem is that something is confusing me. I have in my cover a chord progression that sounds to me it belongs 100% in fade to grey, yet all midi files I see do it different.

I even had people commenting on my cover, that I should add some of my own.

Could it be I made something that sounds right, but simply is not, from a cover point of view. :lol:

I know a bit about how to mess with chords, to stay in scale, but what is happening in fade to grey is new to me.
This progression make me look like this: :shock:

I am sure I can learn a lot from this though, that's why I want to understand better what is going on.
Gonna have another look at the file send to me. (about the vid were chris payne explains how he started fade to grey)

Lets see what chord progression that has. (again)

Also gonna watch that vid again, and listen at what chris says. At one point I think he mentions the chord progression.
There is an A, F and G in it. at least :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtP5jfRhxJc

The part his right hand playes is were I have messed up.

Will get it sorted :)
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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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A bit off topic, but I like to thank rghvdberg.

He put me on the right track, on how to get funky. :D


Been googling groove quantization, and got some explaining from a LMMS friend.
I also asked for this to be added to LMMS. (this does not mean it will get added)

This has been bugging me from almost the first time I started creating music on the PC.

I like Funk (funk Disco) but failed horrible every time I tried. Now I am starting to see the light on why.

A computer has 100% perfect timing, and that is exactly what is not happening in funk.
Notes being played a tad too late and maybe even a tad too early.

So will have to do a lot of trying, with the LMMS grid set to 1/192.
I already know if you make two tracks in LMMS, were one is panned to the left and the second one panned to the right but all notes slightly moved, gives a wider stereo effect.
Around 4/192 you start to hear two notes are being played, so we need to stay below this. :D
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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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Progress with the help of google.

I googled what chord is C E A

It said its a mayor chord (and some more), But I then dove into LMMS, and put in mayor chord.
Then moved lowest note 1 octave up, and boom, I had the chord how its used in Fade To Grey.

This might be child play to most here, but I am very happy, that I now understand this chord.

Is moving the bottom note one octave up, the first inversion ?

I remember struggling to make a chord progression, struggling because it never sounded like I had in mind.

The more I understand chords, the more I get this feeling to ignore all theory, and just put in notes that sound nice together.
Who cares if its minor or mayor and or diminished.
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Re: Help needed with trying to cover something

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Baby steps, but first 1min20, is fixed.

I moved the mp3 in the piano roll, so the strings part starts at the same time as the original.

I have now CEA, CEG, DFA, CDA, CEG, CEA

Although I am not 100% happy about how it sounds, the strings now at least go up and down in the same rhythm as the original.

It feels almost like starting over but I finally understand what I am doing again.

In the midi file, there are two tracks, one is the strings, the other one is the note slide.

I had merged those, and although this is possibly, it was not the way I was doing it.
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