KXStudio 12.04 release plans

[DoosC]

Cadence : doesn't want to start anymore :

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python2: /build/buildd/sip4-4.13.2/siplib/siplib.c :10938 : sipEnumType_alloc:  L'assertion « (((currentType)->td_flags & 0x0007) == 0x0003) » a échoué.
Abandon (core dumped)

Shouldn't it use python3 ?

The main Cadence app was never ported to py3 (again due to the lack of time).
It still works here fine though. That seems more like a memory error than anything else. I say make sure your system is fully up-to-date and reboot.

Hey hey I finally found out what was wrong :

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$ apt-cache madison python-qt4
python-qt4 | 4.9.1-2ubuntu1 | http://lu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages

$ apt-cache policy python-qt4
python-qt4:
  Installé : 4.9.1-2really4.9-2u3~ppa1
  Candidat : 4.9.1-2really4.9-2u3~ppa1
 Table de version :
 *** 4.9.1-2really4.9-2u3~ppa1 0
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     4.9.1-2ubuntu1 0
        500 http://lu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main amd64 Packages


It shows that the python-qt4 installed on my system is not the ubuntu repos version.
So here is what I did :

$ sudo apt-get install python-qt4=4.9.1-2ubuntu1 -V

And now Cadence is working again like a charm

[kissthesky7]

Hi! I've not tried KXStudio yet but plan on installing it, perhaps once Ubuntu comes out with 12.04.1. For now I am using 10.04.4 Ubuntu Studio base with rt kernel and packages from Tango Studio and apart from some issues due to PulseAudio intergration, it still works, but there are some improvements I am looking forward to. I figure its too late at this point, but I wanted to ask if it were possible to offer the KXStudio live DVD with an easy way to install another desktop such as XFCE or Fluxbox or Enlightenment?

On my "test" older computer, I have installed various distros (Salix Os, Zenwalk, Xubuntu, Bodhi linux, Arch-bang, Kororra with different desktops) including Chakra linux with KDE and I find it takes alot of ressources and I am sad to say its my least favorite... I know its a personal thing and I was told that there will not be any new updates to Tango Studio which had Gnome Classic desktop, which I may still install for now since I have space on my drives, and I want to see what its like to not have PulseAudio installed and how it affects latencies.

I read in another thread that it is recommended to install Ubuntu Studio first if I don't want KDE, but in Tango Studio, they told me that a cleaner install was better...I guess KXStudio works differently...

Note: later I will post a new thread with some questions specific to my system and goals...thnks

[falkTX]

@kissthesky7:
After the KXStudio Live-DVD gets ready, there will be 3 ways to install KXStudio:
1 - Live-DVD (with KDE)
2 - Net-Boot ISO (100% clean, you install just what you need/want. Requires active internet connection though cable).
3 - Ubuntu as base, then upgrade (use whatever variant you want, UbuntuStudio being recommended)


I will not support Live-DVD with anything other than KDE. I don't even like the idea of Live-DVD much, I will only do it because a lot of users asked for one.

[wolftune]

@kissthesky7: KDE is extremely customizable. You can really set it to be less resource hungry by turning off various effects and other settings adjustments. It still may not be quite as snappy as LXDE or xfce but KDE is not necessarily a resource hog, it is very adjustable. I hope the long-term sees razor-qt evolve to being capable of all the best features of KDE because it is otherwise compatible and yet much snappier. Anyway, don't give up so quick on KDE.

@FalkTX: Is there much difference otherwise between Live-DVD versus Net-Boot ISO? Regarding your dislike of Live-DVD, does that also apply to Net-Boot ISO?
Also, I went with Mint KDE + KXStudio because I liked that Mint was actually largely a cleaner install than Kubuntu by my impression. Given that I'm happy to stick with KDE at this point, is there any real advantage to waiting for Mint KDE 13 versus just going with your KXStudio install?

[hebjuzeb]

I'm a little confused about what makes a good desktop in KX, and for music in general. I just assumed lighter=better to free up resources. But if KDE isn't particularly light, what's the benefit? I really like Unity/Ubuntu 12.04; if my PC is medium-fast (2.4GHz i3) is there a big plus to using KDE instead?

[wolftune]

In my view, the benefits of KDE are especially in its user control. It is very easy to see things the way I want, control the way windows relate to different virtual desktops, and it has the most configurable interfaces for trackpad behavior and other settings. There's good support for contextual menus. Overall, I just feel in control. I do not have enough experience with other DE's to really judge fairly though. KDE isn't particularly light, but it can be set up in ways to be more than light enough.

There is no way that KDE would be a problem with your i3 processor, and if you used it you would benefit from the user control and interface benefits that it offers, or maybe you'd find it was all irrelevant, I don't know. As a newbie, I tried a few things and just ended up feeling that only KDE really clicked and let me be in command while still working great by default. So I went with it. I'm happy.

[slowpick]

ended up feeling that only KDE really clicked and let me be in command while still working great by default.

For people doing lots of file management, having KDE Konqueror open with four windows, sorting
files by name, size, type, and date, deals a serious blow to memory lapses, and speeds up the
work flow. Being able to split windows horizontally or vertically, for more detailed tasks
is another plus. Trinity kde lets you place and space icons as you like, on a transparent taskbar, so they don't get jumbled in the middle. Great for those avoiding clutter, and helping new users have a customized system.

[wolftune]

Konquerer? What? There is no such thing on my KDE system. You're referencing quite out of date stuff. Since v.4 it's replaced with Dolphin.
I just looked at Trinity. Seems a throwback and losing relevance. Anyway, KXStudio's KDE install is not Trinity, it's certainly the latest stable KDE 4.8. I've heard that KDE has come a long ways since the v.3 days. I don't know personally, as 4.8 is all I've ever used.

[falkTX]

haha, wolftune, don't dismiss trinity/kde3 just like that!

trinity is a big project to me, one I watch very closely. If it was ready for 12.04, I would be certainly using it in KXStudio.
trinity takes the old kde3 codebase and makes it work on Qt4, updating everything and fixing the little bugs left. The KXStudio theme works like a charm in there (using QtCurve), so you won't even notice the difference.
What you would notice is the speed on which things are done. Trinity is as much snappier as it is currently possible, matching razor-qt.

KDE4 in KXStudio works great, but there are certain areas where things could be a bit faster.
I hope the trinity project succeeds and gets a new release soon. When that happens, I'll make sure KXStudio works and feels native in there.

PS: There is still Konquerer for KDE4, but has lost attention of the developers since KDE 4.0 started.
It's very sad, Konqueror was the best tool ever (File Manager + Browser in 1...)

[wolftune]

Ok, well I trust your judgment… thanks

[slowpick]

I would not trust Dolphin with heavily nested folders. Always verify that the copied
files actually got there, not just nine levels of folders, with the last level empty.
Once bitten, ever vigilant.

It also fails to accurately update file icons on a regular basis, requiring a restart. It is good for
launching a window for a usb stick that just got inserted.

The taskbar is like a cars dashboard, Trinity is more flexible, especially for long voyages.
The taskbar is the first, last, and most frequently used software, so I like the nice 'old'
options, like my seedy old couch.

[wolftune]

@FalkTX: Is there much difference otherwise between Live-DVD versus Net-Boot ISO? Regarding your dislike of Live-DVD, does that also apply to Net-Boot ISO?
Also, I went with Mint KDE + KXStudio because I liked that Mint was actually largely a cleaner install than Kubuntu by my impression. Given that I'm happy to stick with KDE at this point, is there any real advantage to waiting for Mint KDE 13 versus just going with your KXStudio install?

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[falkTX]

@FalkTX: Is there much difference otherwise between Live-DVD versus Net-Boot ISO? Regarding your dislike of Live-DVD, does that also apply to Net-Boot ISO?
Also, I went with Mint KDE + KXStudio because I liked that Mint was actually largely a cleaner install than Kubuntu by my impression. Given that I'm happy to stick with KDE at this point, is there any real advantage to waiting for Mint KDE 13 versus just going with your KXStudio install?

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oops, sorry, so many threads I let this go unseen...

I mostly dislike the Live-DVD because of it's static nature. Once I do it, it's not possible to put updates on it. And given KXStudio nature of using repositories always up-to-date, a Live-DVD will get old very quick.
My internet upload speed is about 50Kb/s, so it will take me an entire day to upload a 2Gb ISO. And consider that while I do uploads my internet gets pretty much useless...
The Live-DVD can be a way to install KXStudio or to give it a test ride, but in no means it's a way of making any real work.

Net-Boot ISOs are very good, but not as easy to install.

My personal recommendation to you is to wait for the new Mint, and upgrade afterwards.

[wolftune]

Thanks. I'm interested in how to advise others though, so that's my primary interest in trying the KXStudio DVD or Net-boot. I'm hoping to figure out the best ways to get others in the door to a functioning enough system. So the less that is required to do at installation, the easier it is to get someone started and then go from there…

[falkTX]

Thanks. I'm interested in how to advise others though, so that's my primary interest in trying the KXStudio DVD or Net-boot. I'm hoping to figure out the best ways to get others in the door to a functioning enough system. So the less that is required to do at installation, the easier it is to get someone started and then go from there…

The Live-DVD would be better for that I guess, unless you really want to go with Mint as base?
All my concern about the Live-DVD is more related on how people will see it. KXStudio is way more than just an ISO, as you know

When the new Mint comes out, I welcome you to do a simple tutorial on how to install it and do the upgrade, and then I'll put it into the KXStudio website, Documentation section.
(You probably will just need to take some pictures, as I believe the steps are already well documented)